greetings other sellers
I am curious how many power sellers will attempt to be a top rated sellers to gain the 20% discount when april comes around.
I am beginning to convince myself that the 4.9 % is unachievable considering it is to much base merely on perception of the buyers and none actually based on facts shipping time - and price could be monitored.
SO what is the verdict- I am losing hope in ebay the sellers have gone and the fees remain the same.
so what is the word ..what is your opinions on the DSR system ?
I have been selectively blocking buyers who leave me poor DSR ratings.
are you ?
Its not easy to figure out who is unfair to you one example - I shipped and item which cost $7.85 to ship and only charged 6.80 in the ad, did not as for more money, but yer was only left 2 stars by the buyer..

I think the biggest thing you need is volume. The more volume, the less important any single rating becomes, so if you do offer excellent service and excellent products, the few idiots out there won't be able to affect you.

Definitely achievable.

I predict that the entire FB system is on the way out. The new rating system (which I seem to get all the time now for my purchases), doesn't have regular FB or any DSR's.

Evening, Stockmiser~

Would you elaborate? I buy on ebay frequently but I have not seen, nor do I see, evidence of ''a new rating system'' to which you refer. Everything appears to be status quo here.

I am more than a bit curious and am aware that when you post there are facts behind your words.

Thanks & Merry Christmas,

MPV

MPV
I got to leave one of those new feedbacks about 1or 2 months ago.

There was a story about them testing a new type of feedback.

http://tamebay.com/2009/05/marks-out-of-10-for-feedback.html

Ina just did a report today...

http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.pl

and here

http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y09/m10/i05/s01

Thank you both.

I'm neither a high volume buyer or seller.
Odd, however, that in 25 buys I have not seen
the new format( 2 months).

Regardless, it's the sooner the better for me that they ditch a system where a seller ''eats'' part of the postage as I do --and postage is shown on the box: I never blind it--and some clown buyer decides to give me a ''1''(I was told by a ebray person that had occurred). I doubt I am alone in that regard.

Note: I don't absorb the shipping to be competitive with other sellers: with my items I don't have many, if any.

Regarding Search placement: it is the one problem I do not have.

MPV

When all the new changes came about, a couple of years ago.. I did not like the fact that sellers could no longer leave appropriate feedback for buyers- That it would be 'positive' or nothing. While, on the other hand- buyers were free to leave negative feedback for sellers. I didn't like it- but I accepted it.

I didn't like the fact that bidder's ids were now hidden. Shill bidders take full advantage of this- and we can no longer see who is bidding against us. Now- I regulary get outbid on an item- and then- almost IMMEDIATELY the seller sends me a 'second-chance' offer ? It's very obvious, to me, they upped the bid- hoping I would up mine-

And I thoroughly, did not approve of the new DSR rating system !! WHY? Because I honestly do NOT believe this system in ANY way, is reflecting the scores that 'anonymous' buyers THINK they are leaving for a seller. I honestly believe that these 'scores' are put in place by no one but Ebay- and that it is their way of controling our search visibility- the percentage of final value fees that they discount for power sellers- and, also- to PUSH sellers into offerig FREE SHIPPING (which puts more money into Ebay's pocket- Just like NOT allowing the option of the buyer paying for insurance.

With shipping fees and insurance fee now being TACKED ONTO our item's total price- Ebay has enhanced THEIR income by MILLIONS, with higher final selling fees, While the seller gets fewer and fewer bids- due to the increased opening bid prices....

I sincerely believe that the ONLY reason these scores, supposedly, "Given by buyers" ARE ANONYMOUS, as put into place- by Ebay- and do not in any way reflect our 'buyers' rating for us !!
I believe that this was a smooth calculated brain-storm- idea, put into place BY Ebay- for ONE reason only- CONTROL !! TO HAVE CONTROL OF OUR SEARCH VISIBILITY- POWER SELLER STATUS- AND TO MANIPULATE US TOWARD OFFERING FREE SHIPPING. Think about it- These scores decide SO much in factoring how well our Ebay business goes.

I think the idea (or the idea that we've been fed) WOULD have been a great idea- But when I saw that the scores were being left ANONYMOUSLY- I knew something was up- I mean- buyers have free-reign of leaving feedback- WHY was scoring our DSR stars necessary to be annonymous?

Ohhhhh... I would have LOVED to have been at that Ebay "Brain-storming' business meeting when THIS (ANNONYMOUS SCORING) Brain-storm came up !! Bet SOMEBODY got a huge bnnus and a Big Ol pat on the back !! DSRs The 'last word' in CONTROL !! Betty Lou

If you go to the Bay feedback forum and look back to 01-29-08 and read forward, you will see what people think.

This whole mess was figured out before it was implemented. lol

Quote: › WHY was scoring our DSR stars necessary to be annonymous?

Because, at the time, sellers were leaving feedback only after the buyer did. If the buyer left honest non-positive feedback, sellers were reciprocating with negative feedback for the buyers.

At the beginning of the DSRs, some sellers stated that they could figure out which buyers had left them less then 5 in each category, and in return they had negged the buyers.

Interesting speculation....but...

- No proof is presented for the deception
- This would represent massive fraud that would ultimately destroy the corporation
- If it were true, it's too big of a lie to keep secret

For these, and probably a dozen more reasons, I'd say this was unlikely in the extreme...

No... No proof- However, I believe we will see the day when some disgruntled, ticked-off, ex-employee will come forward and reveal all...

My only 'proof' is that, even though, I kept high DSR scores.. Somehow, every month- Just before invoice time.. my DSR scores would suddenly take a DROP- even though my feedbacks were all super.

Ebay would have us believe that our buyers- even though they leave us wonderful, positive feedback, and are happy with their items- that they then go to the DSR scoring- (because there- they would be anonymous, and could be 'Honest' ) and ding our stars like crazy.. because they can do this anonymously? Why would they do this?
Especially since they are free to leave negative feedback for the seller?

So- each month (when my DSR scores would suddenly drop) My final value fee discount would also drop- as would my search visibility, and although I was on 'target' to earn a 15/20% discount- I would end up with the 5% discount?
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Once the discount was given- and invoice was paid- My DSR scores would JUMP back up to their high scores.... This went on month after month... I would have LOVED to have contacted my buyers and ASKED what they scored me- However... Ebay has stated that asking our buyers this question can be cause for SUSPENSION !! And they 'explain' the 'drop' is due to their 'rotation' of the scores- which makes it impossible to determine WHO gave us low scores.

So- seeing this happen... month after month... I decided to drop out of the Power Seller program. The small discount that I was being given.. didn't bother me NEARLY as much as my items being placed in a lower search visibility..

Once I dropped out- My scores STAYED at their high levels- No longer taking that Pre-Invoice decline, which saved Ebay (Millions, I'm sure in refunds of final value fees) !! THAT was PROOF to me- But I realize it's not valid 'Proof' .. It only showed that suddenly ALL of my customers were now giving my high DSR scores- Coincidence ?
Several months ago- I decided to, once more, join Power Sellers. I am now a 'top-rated-seller' and have earned the 20% discount on my final value fees.

But wait !! Now- I am getting fewer sales and bids !! They've dropped about 50% !! Currently- I don't have a SINGLE BID on my auction !! Feedbacks are coming in few and far between ?
At this rate- it won't be long until I no longer qualify for the Power Seller status...

Add to this- that many, MANY sellers, who continuously offering FREE SHIPPING- are ALSO getting LOW SCORES on their shipping and handling catagory !! Which doesn't make sense to me ! They should ALL have a score of 5 in that catagory !! Why wouldn't they? Why would their buyers- who are paying NOTHING for shipping and handling- DING them on S&H? Because they're being 'Honest' ? Because they can remain 'anonymous' ? Because they 'can' ?
Betty Lou

I think the simple positive and negative feedback is good along with DSR(hidden from public) just for assessing seller performance himself and not tied to anything.

In that way the seller can assess the buyer thinking and trying to become more efficient in field which are lacking.

Sites like Amazon, Ecrater etc don't even have a buyer feedback.So ebay feedback is atleast good as they didin't decided to get rid of buyer feedback.

I am now noticing a lot of postive feedback for buyers with negative comments.

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http://strikingedeals.ecrater.com/

http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/Strikingedeals

I believe Amazon DOES have feedback for the seller- as does Bonanzle- and ALL that I have sold on ?
I also believe that feedback IS important- and I have decided to buy, or NOT to buy from a seller.. based on their feedback.

I USED to look at a buyer's feedback- which let me know what kind of a buyer they were- of course NOW they ALL have 100% feedback- since they cannot be left a negaive anymore.

But now- I only look at 'Feedback LEFT' [b]by a buyer[/b].. If I see that they leave a lot of nasty, picky, 'negative feedbacks' - I cancel their bid and block them.

and yes- Many sellers ARE leaving false 'positives'- which was SUPPOSED to be against Ebay policy... but they are no longer being removed- as they once were.. At least, I'm still seeing them ....... Betty Lou

I think I diagree about the importance of FB. I think that many years ago, before the internet became completely ubiquitous, the users of the internet were not average everyday people. Now it's everyone - rich and poor, educated and ignorant, and cyberspace is just chock full of idiots and anarchists.

FB can only work when people act in good faith, and that time is long past. You can tell your grandkids about "the good ole days" of the internet, cause that is long gone.

Without consequences, accountability, and personal responsibility, you have a lawless frontier. Like so many things, without any limits, the "masses" run amok.

People will now give you bad DSR's because....

- they hate ebay
- they deliberately want to invalidate FB
- they are jealous of your good ratings
- they are your competitors
- they are an irate former customer
- they are really 12 years old and think it's fun
- they are drunk or on drugs at the time
- they give everyone 1's cause they think it's cool
- they simply don't care

These are why you are getting bad DSR's, because for ebay to do it would make no sense at all. There would be entire teams of programmers and IT specialists that would absolutely know about it - not to mention dozens of others - and IT people are notoriously bad at keeping secrets. It would be a huge PR problem, it would be criminal fraud, and it would be an SEC violation. The entire company would be torn apart. And for what? So they don't have to give you a small discount? Sorry...but it's an absurd notion.

Certainly far more absurd than me picturing my bratty 14 year old neighbor - who uses ebay regularly - give you 1's just to see what might happen to you.

. im getting low DSR rating from UK buyers..
guess they forgot they had a postal strike
and , of course, ebay would not remind anyone that there was strike going on..