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BSIT



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Froogle VS. Ebay  

I have been working through all this in my head and thinking about it all and I've come to the following conclusion ...

Just like one of the members posted to one of my replies before they said "auctions are dead" ... I tend to agree with them ... the reasons I agree are because people are growing more and more impatient and want what they want when they want it ... meaning NOW ... not 7 days from now and hope that they win it ...

I would venture to guess that most people are willing to calculate their time and energy and be willing to pay a little bit more even should it mean they can get what they want right away ... this is probably why we are seeing more BIN (Buy It Now) listings ...

If Google was going to do an auction format they would have done it by now I think ... possibly I'm wrong but I think Google's approach to 'taking over ebays market share' is to take a slightly different approach ... ie: Froogle which is a product search engine ... not a product auction site ... not a product classified ad site ... simply a product search engine ... this is where the future is going I believe ...

People can search and find and buy what they want immediately and for a good price as the competition itself will keep the costs competitive ... and who knows possibly they will ad an auction section later on ...

I've been trying to figure out when Google is going to launch their eBay destroying auction site but I think that they already have with Froogle ... which is the search engine for the buyers ... the sellers tool that works directly with Froogle is Google Base ...

It just hit me last night that just like anything else Google does they don't do it conventionally ... I really think that the way things are moving is more towards direct sales rather than auctions ... and as I said earlier it wouldn't be a big deal to ad auctions in as an option for sellers and buyers alike ... the key is the search factor ... the format can be adjusted easily ... and nobody has mastered search like Google ...

Froogle is still in Beta and it's already as popular as it is ... I would venture to say that within 2 years from now Froogle will be right up there with evilBay in terms of traffic and sales ... of course they have bugs to work out and improvements to be made but that is just growing pains ... I'm sure Froogle is going to be a serious force in the future ... I mean their slogan is "The Worlds Most Powerful Product Search Engine!" ...

My view is a bet against Google is not a smart bet ... personally I think evilBay has gotten fat and lazy ... it's clear from their lack of customer service and mistreatment of their members ...

I think Google is slowly but strategically taking over market share and eating evilBays lunch ...

What are you thoughts on this theory?

Thanks

- BSIT
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lammergeiernet



Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Froogle VS. Ebay  

It doesn't look like Froogle is the focus of Google , but they have an alternative take on classfieds.

Google is trying to change the battlefield not spar on eBay’s turf

Googlebase is the focus ...errrrr actually AdWords is hehe !

Googlebase is already the backbone of Froogle now ,but Googlebase is also classifieds ,products ,services and information. One giant generic listing site that they want to tie into search and google checkout and adwords

Right now Googlebase drives some traffic gets a few extra sales

The big potential of Googlebase is when Googlecheckout is more popular , when Googlebase is unleashed into Google search fully instead of testing.

Your google items will have a checkout badge next to them as will your adword ads , people will know they can buy from you no problem and trust you over a generic internet add. Your inventory will be in froogle section , your adwords will appear on the side , your site ,advertisements and products will appear in search.

You will get discounts and incentives to use Adwords , you will stand out from other Ad words by using checkout , you will get more hits by being Google base.

They really want you to pay Ad words instead of auction fee's

They really wish for you to provide content to bring in traffic
They want more traffic to sell more Ad words
:D

Thats why the focus of Googlecheckout is on security , they want people to have brand loyalty to Googlecheckout badge like we used to have confidence in eBay people with good feedback.

They also wish to have Googlecheckout to be to search what Paypal is to eBay search ! In other words that 90% of buyers will prefer it.

Googlebase + Googlecheckout + Search + Badges = More Ad words

With checkout getting more popular it looks more promising then before

Considering that Google is half of the internet traffic , even if it doesnt work very well it has potential to be far bigger then eBay.
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BHWINC



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Froogle VS. Ebay  

I have had these thoughts for the past several months that google is tweaking their systems and getting their ducks all in a row. not to mention gaining as much free exposure as can be had for their services.
I don't have a crystal ball or inside info, it is my guess that they will make a major push for the Christmas shopping season later this year, (I hope, I Hope)..
Right now Google is king so they don't have to scramble and rush into pushing out half baked services like most of us are used to seeing at ebay..
(I typed Half baked and visions of Ebay Expressed danced about my head!)
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BSIT



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject:  

Great input lammergeiernet!

Thanks for the reply ... so in summary your basically saying that Google's plans are to use all their ventures (Checkout, Base, Froogle, Ad Words, Search) together as seemlessly as possible so that the trust of buying (and selling) through their system(s) is far superior to any other company out there?

Do you agree they could ad in a auction format easily or do you think auctions are dead and this is not the direction they want to take?

Any other insights you can impart as it would be greatly appreciated ...

Thanks again!

- BSIT
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BSIT



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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject:  

So basically Google is looking to become more 3 demensional rather than how evilBay is 1 demensional ...

Meaning that there will be more ways to find your products than just one that evilBay has ... (going to their site and searching it out) ...

I agree that Google is looking to change the battlefield and not fight evilBays fight ...

Realistically evilBay is becoming more of a primitive system every day and I believe is out dated ... they haven't grown because they haven't had to grow ... and when they do try to save their butts it will be too late I think ...

Look at how Google is allowing evilBay members to merge their auctions and list them with Google Base so they can be found by potential buyers on Froogle ...

I don't quite understand why you say that Froogle is not the focus? Isn't this the place they want everyone to go when they want to buy something???

Thanks for you input ...

- BSIT
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lammergeiernet



Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Froogle VS. Ebay  

Yes , I'm saying that Google instead of rushing out lets say an auction site and trying to compete with eBAY head to head its taking the high ground.

Google is looking at the big picture and is attempting a synergy between all its systems. The end game is traffic ,content and advertising.

eBay is ever looking inward , its a gated community , a closed system, even recently they have been shutting out the UK sellers from US market. eBay search is damaged but if you think about it search is what its all about.

Google Auctions would just be another Yahoo auctions , I find my products being in search to half the world with few restrictions much more interesting.

Froogle is just a shopping product site , its now powered by Googlebase feeds and Google took it off the front page. Froogle will be more of a niche site like eBay express. Google intends to move produts more to the front of the line into SEARCH.

We will find highly targeted products and services in search
Checkout merchants will standout in search and froogle
Checkout merchants will standout in ad words

The concept is that Google search will become more powerful in driving commerce , I'm sure it will help drive alot more traffic to Froogle but traffic will come from Adwords , links on main search site , and other sources too.
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BSIT



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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject:  

Very good point and I would have to agree with you for sure ...

Google is an innovator ... evilBay is just a bloodsucker ...

Just one last question ... when do you forsee all this coming about to the point where Google (and all it's systems) are in place to the point where they at least rival evilBay?

Also, the insight that BHWINC made about launching this Christmas bigtime makes sense to me ... what do you think about this time line or the time line Google has in mind?

Thanks again!

- BSIT
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lammergeiernet



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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Froogle VS. Ebay  

I think this will be a big year for Google (at least as far as we the sellers are concerned)

Google checkout may go international this year for sellers ,that will cause a ramp up in popularity

Googlechekout needs at least this year to continue to mature and become popular with retailers and get the word out. This xmas was not its breakout season.

Google needs to unleash Googlebase into the main page ,currently its on training wheels.

Googlecheckout was looking pretty weak just few months ago but its been growing by leaps and bounds already !

Sites like eCrater that use Froogle and Googlebase were absurd 9 months ago are now just about as good as having eBay store ! :P

So in other words the revolution is going on right now

Im my opinion with a new set of skills and attitude , you can spend what you spend on eBay fee's on Adwords and lesser sites do pretty well.Several PUS members have already.
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BSIT



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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject:  

I agree ... I'd say this time next year evilBay and NotMyPal are going to be in deep #%@* ...

The fact that the revolution is as quiet as it is also gives me alot of encouragement that we aren't going to be suffering at the whims of evilBay much longer ...

Thanks for your input!

- BSIT
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