Power Sellers Unite

shopperplus · Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 72

In another posting I mentioned that a person was being accused, harassed, slandered against, and just plain being attacked by members over on the BluJay forum.

Well, here is more proof that shows just how nasty a few of them can be
Quote: › docWrite("quote")Every rule of blujay has been defied by gifts767 and due to links bashing blujay sellers and the blujay site. Every post by gifts767 will be deleted,only the locked threads will remain at this time.
The above complaints have been answered and explained to you many,many times by the moderators in the forum and through emails, private messages and admin.
There is nothing farther to be done,but to remove the clutter from the community in order to protect the blujay sellers.
jmho...Once a Message Board reaches stagnation, it is virtually impossible to revive it. Acting decisively before the best posters depart is the hallmark of a good Mod.
As you can clearly see, the Mods have no intention of deleting/removing the imposters screen name. Talk about unfair & unjust! Once again folks, if you would like a list of store names to avoid, simply send me an email.

PatchDog · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 3735

Renagade wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
I feel that the community spririt is leaving Blujay...
and it is so sad....
The forums are part of what hurt the site.

I do believe in free speech as long as it is limited to constructive critisism of a site. I am not talking about spreading lies and bashing a site on unfounded rumors but honest feedback to a site as to what is wrong and what could improve the site should be welcomed.

Unfortunately, you have people who will attack any comment about ways that a site can improve or who will attack any person making an honest comment in the process of assessing a site.

I think this whole thing got started because a person who supports BJ and who is loyal to the site was attacked for providing feedback to the site. The people who attacked this person drove the person to PSU in order to be heard and at that point the person was not going to sugarcoat the feelings and the reality of the site any longer.

It all boils down to have strong leadership on the site and an involved owner. All of this could have been avoided. Now I am hearing that the owners are working on a new site. A new BluJay. But it is just rumors at this point.

Tell me, what is so hard about an owner going to the forum and saying straight out.

"Hello, I am busy on building a new BluJay site. I am sorry I havent been involved as much as I should be but BluJay 2 is taking up a lot of time. I have been listening and I think you will all be pleasantly suprised and happy with BluJay 2. I can not get into further details due to trade secrets but the new site "should" be ready to launch by March of 2009 if not sooner. "

"Those with stores and listings on the current site do not need ot worry because those will be transferred over to the new site" or "data will be transferred over but some information will have to be updated or edited" or "The new site will have to be built from scratch as the changes are so innovative that a data transfer will not work so you will have to list again"

I think BluJay in its current form should be much more successful that it has been. It should have been more competitive with eCrater. Newer storefront sites like BISI and Atomic Mall should not have been able to make inroads on BluJay.

OK, that is past. It cant be changed. But the owner can start fresh. Let the community know what is going on. Do not keep everything a secret and let the direction of the site continue to be fueled by rumors and speculation.

The holidays are fast approaching. This is a big time for us. Members should know the status of the site so they can plan appropriately. I dont want to hear things like "Well, it's free so stop complaining". No site is free unless you consider the time you take to build and promote a site worthless.

Whoever is in charge at BluJay. Step up and stand in front of the community and give a "State of BluJay" address. Address people in the BJ furoms and address people here at PSU. Show that you still care. Yes, there are problems at BluJay but that is YOUR fault and YOU can change that. If you continue to just hide in the shadows and let things play out without your involvement then you may be hurting and disenfranching many people who support you and BJ.

PatchDog · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 3735

AllanRalls wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Talkin without knowledge of the entire package is kinda dangerous. Part of a picture is just that part of a picture. Some of what ya say is true - its the part ya don't know about that ya shouldn't even be talking about Mr. Patch. Ya got 2 of the biggest problems on the forums right up above answering and agreein with ya. Should be tellin ya somthin.

Hope ya can hear good cause those that can't or din't are findin themselves in a little spot of trouble now.

Allen, I have seen the BJ forums and I have seen the issues. What side havent I seen? I have also tried to provide constructive critisism and feedback of BJ and I have been ostricized myself by BJ members. Not by the whole community, most reasonable people see that I am providing suggestions and raising suggestions that would probably improve the site. But enough people feel strongly enough about the site that no matter what the problems or issues, they will resort to personal attacks.

jcut92 · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 853

Patch, Allan must of deleted his post, I don't see it here.

Anyhow, I TOTALLY agree with each and every word you have spoken here. You have seen me all over these forums stating exactly what you have said, but not as well typed.

I want Blujay to succeed, but like I have said a hundred times, the captain has left the ship.

I have been there for awhile now and have seen it gone down hill. Everyone else on those forums acts like everything is OK? They don't have a clue.

Go read some of my posts here you will see I have been saying the same thing over and over.

You can email CS at Blujay till your blue in the face, NOTHING! Not even a reply.

Now What? Hes gone, he does not address us in any fashion. He told us that we should welcome the New Mods? So, Now what?

How about the Future of my store? Any plans? Because Blujay's ADMIN is not involved with his own site, its doomed to fail? Am I wrong?

Why Am I selling More at Ecrater? When I promote my blujay store left and right? Is it because Ecraters Staff is on Board? Is it also because like you said, THEY ARE YOUNG AND HUNGRY?

I want Blujay to go farther and not close up like all the others, but really how?

If I start a thread over there about this same topic, it will get deleted, cause it looks like I am downing the site. But I AM NOT, Just a Concerned Store owner.

Have you read here in these forums what Purple Giraffe is saying about Blujay, THEY ARE SO ON THE MONEY. Exactly, exacto Mundo. Now Purple Giraffe has got it down pat, so How Come Blujay's Owner can't get it?

I am so glad you posted the above, its so true!

Renagade · Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 276

Patch...Thank you for being such a good friend of Blujay and so many other sites here too!! Your wisdom and input are appreciated ..........

REHVENGE · Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 109

Dog person very smart and business savvy for sure. purple person from other threads right on monye. blujay does ahve problems that have been let go for long time.

and j person right big time
if try to put this out in bird forum to talt about would be deleted by censership happy moderators. they power mongr

they all like to be like ostich with head in sand pretending problm not there.

will bite in a$$ if keep that bunch of thought going on.

blujay nice site like it lots
but but but blujay got trouble and they need fixed pronto

most ads got kicked out of google again.all over bird forums about it bad bad bad

in and then out, then in and then out
nuts

shopperplus · Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 72

Once again the Mods are blatantly harassing Steve (gifts767) over on the blujay forums. A member named Secondchance(something blah blah) created a thread in the Promote a Member area, every time Steve would post about a member (which was completely on topic and whithin his rights as a member) Mod_Berry would remove his posting.

She/He claimed it was because Steve closed his store, and therefore wasn't allowed to post within the forums. I guess that by his/her statement that would mean, buyers who DON'T have stores are not allowed to post in the forum area. However, that same Mod is allowing GarettesAttic to post in said forum, and she/he has also "Closed" their store.

I tell you, if there is a lawyer who is reading all these post, you could really make some easy money with suing the "pants" off the Blujay owner. Because, he is technically responsible for EVERYTHING that "His" Mods do! And by Adam not interfering and stopping these attacks, in essence he is doing it himself. In addition, that means that, Adam can be sued for allowing the Mods to continuing to both harass, and insult Steve (Gifts767).

BradMajors · Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 59

shopperplus wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Once again the Mods are blatantly harassing Steve (gifts767) over on the blujay forums. A member named Secondchance(something blah blah) created a thread in the Promote a Member area, every time Steve would post about a member (which was completely on topic and whithin his rights as a member) Mod_Berry would remove his posting.

She/He claimed it was because Steve closed his store, and therefore wasn't allowed to post within the forums. I guess that by his/her statement that would mean, buyers who DON'T have stores are not allowed to post in the forum area. However, that same Mod is allowing GarettesAttic to post in said forum, and she/he has also "Closed" their store.

I tell you, if there is a lawyer who is reading all these post, you could really make some easy money with suing the "pants" off the Blujay owner. Because, he is technically responsible for EVERYTHING that "His" Mods do! And by Adam not interfering and stopping these attacks, in essence he is doing it himself. In addition, that means that, Adam can be sued for allowing the Mods to continuing to both harass, and insult Steve (Gifts767).
Do you have some links?

jcut92 · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 853

Well I don't know shoppers at all, but I did NOTICE how the Mods over at Blujay are acting like they have been given a badge. Very Poorly Moderated there. Its a shame, cause the site is running on its own with NO OWNERSHIP to tend to it.

So I would have to believe shoppers, I have seen it with my own eyes. The Mods have attitudes and they are RUNNING the site the way they see fit. Their Instructions on how to mod are posted at the Blujay forums, but they don't obey those Rules, they do what they like. So in turn anything anyone would say about the So Called Volunteer Mods is probably true.

They delete and sabotage threads, they lock threads. Its nothing like here, PSU is very fair and they run a tight ship. Not Blujay, its a free for all there. With the Owner being Absent, the Mods can do anything they like. So if they don't like you, YOUR POSTS AND THOUGHTS are gone, after you have taken the time to type them in.

One of the Mods there, was banned at PSU for a short time for numerous ids. So you can kinda see whos running the forums.

REHVENGE · Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 109

Brad,
J is right. No posts are allowed that have any true saying about what the site is like.

They are either deleted or locked so they sink to the deep depths of the forums. The moderator that got busted for multiple ID's tried saying it was someone in her household.
Yeah right. she 61+ year old woman with legal custody of her grandson.
Kid must be pretty damn smart to type and sound just like granny.
No one believed for a minute that story full of fertilizer.

Members are not allowed to bring up any talking about anything that may put the bird in a bad light.
Not the security problems, the tons of ads that are expired and used to fake "pump" up their listing counts, nto taht fact that Google doesnt have them in their searches right, or kicks them out on a regulr basis.
None of this can be talked about. All hid under the rug.

Same moderator that got in trouble for multiple ID's here, busted into somones store account over at the bird.
Was all over the forums till it got deleted.
If she's pulling many id's here pretty good bet she doing it thre to

suburbantreasure · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 250

I'm sorry to hear all this about Blujay. I have seen my blujay sales, which were about equal to my Ecrater sales, fall way off. It's about 10 to 1 now, in Ecrater's favor. Not enough for me to close my store, but I am not adding very much to it these days.

It's a shame- it's a nicer and easier layout for buyers than Ecrater. It really has a lot of potential.

jcut92 · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 853

Yes I agree totally, I have been saying this for months. My Sales are Extremely Higher at Ecrater vs. Blujay. The Owners Of Ecrater are around and tend to their Site, Blujay's Doesn't.

things4u · Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 1329

you have the cheerleaders and the farmers that say you have been given a platform and you have to cultivate it to make it grow but if your starting out with depleted soil and have to put so much fertlizer in it to make a few weeds grow is it worth the time and effort the fertilzer given to use is to high in acid content and only causes things to deminish to barron ground with a few weeds growing on a sparce landscape that once was lush and full of life the owner needs to tend the farm and do some irrigation so it returns back to the lush garden it once was and buyers and sellers will keep the farm running and producing place that everyone would be happy to work hard to keep it productive

jcut92 · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 853

Yep right you are. For the month of Oct. I have had 4 invoices at Blujay in 16 days...This is very bad for someone with my amount of Inventory, Now on the other Hand I have had 13 Invoices for Ecrater.
Whats the Ratio on that?

So now what does this mean? Ecrater is More Successful for me? Ecrater is around and doing their job. Their Website is very well maintained with updates being added quite a few times just this year alone.

Ecrater has more accessed to Google than Blujay.
Ecrater is published and indexed correctly thru Google. Blujay is still not recognized thru Google, not yet.

Will Blujay ever be maintained or fixed? This is a Very Hard question. We have been talking about this since April of this year.

REHVENGE · Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 109

agreed. and its a sad thing.
yes a person at blujay that is a moderator got in troulbe here at psu for having severl id's and she does same at the bird forums but no one there to stop her. she even broke into a sellers store and got personal informaton out of that stors account. bad bad. and lot of folks think she is moderator there now. not good and is a shame on blujay for puting someone like her in as person supposed to enforc the rules. how she gonna do that when she breaks them herself ?

blujay needs the owner to pay attention and not let it go to seed. but person right. if you have rotten ground to begin with, no amount of tillin the soil will produce plants. need stuff from the owner for sellers to be sucesful.Peopl at the bird are willing to work, but need to have the tools to do it and with site broke all the tools in the world wont fix it they are just the sellers and can't fix the site