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nisdats · Joined: 10 May 2009 Posts: 18

First of all,

newbie at SEO ------> nisdats <---- newbie at SEO :oops:

OK.. if I WAS selling rubber balloons, I would REALLY want to register rubberballoons.com correct?

Would it help if I ALSO registered kidsrubberballoons.com, redrubberballoons.com, partyrubberballoons.com, cheaprubberballoons.com, etc. etc. and have some information on those sites to point to my store which is the original rubberballoons.com

This might be a stupid question and I tried searching but could not find anything related.

Please explain if any one knows..

Does Google like this or does it only hurt you? My reasoning was if someone was searching for say rubber balloons for kids they would find the kidsrubber... site first and foremost.

Is this a BAD idea?

nisdats

elgato · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 17235 Location: Texas

Not sure how to answer this one but here goes.... :oops:

More than likely google and other search engines will pick up on the balloon aspect since that appears to be your KEY word in all of the above IMHO

Hopefully someone with more search/SEO savy will come along and assist you.

Juliartz · Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 570

nisdats wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")First of all,

newbie at SEO ------> nisdats <---- newbie at SEO :oops:

OK.. if I WAS selling rubber balloons, I would REALLY want to register rubberballoons.com correct?

Would it help if I ALSO registered kidsrubberballoons.com, redrubberballoons.com, partyrubberballoons.com, cheaprubberballoons.com, etc. etc. and have some information on those sites to point to my store which is the original rubberballoons.com

This might be a stupid question and I tried searching but could not find anything related.

Please explain if any one knows..

Does Google like this or does it only hurt you? My reasoning was if someone was searching for say rubber balloons for kids they would find the kidsrubber... site first and foremost.

Is this a BAD idea?

nisdats

I don't really know about the analogy you show here, but since people sound things out differently, when I decided on my domain name, I also grabbed all the phonetically sounding ones as well.. for example...
The domain I use is JULIARTZ. I make sure I obtained both the .com & the .net. I also got the JULIEARTS, JULIARTS, JULIEARTZ. The way I look at it, I like the "z", but how many, unless they knew exactly how I spelled it would know to use that? Most would probally use an S. And all of these are pointed to the domain that I use. I don't know if google would pick these up or not, as they are only pointing to the "real" one thats in use.

purple_reading_giraffe · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 5485 Location: Indiana, USA

Well, if you want to know what google sees, try a google site: search - Google Search -> site:juliearts.net

I have heard that it matters what type of redirect you use - I think Google "respects" the 'permanently moved' one?

*edited to be a "useful" link for Julz*

Juliartz · Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 570

purple_reading_giraffe wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Well, if you want to know what google sees, try a google site: search - Google Search -> site:juliearts.com

I have heard that it matters what type of redirect you use - I think Google "respects" the 'permanently moved' one?

PRG~
You used the one and only domain that I could not get as a .com, only the .net... :lol: I have all the others....

But I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to explain.. (its the DUH coming out... :lol: :lol: ) The forward I use is by the same host that has all my others (or at least most of them...)

purple_reading_giraffe · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 5485 Location: Indiana, USA

I only know enough to give a hint as to what kind of questions to ask. :lol:

I changed the search link, and now it finds nothing.

I know that I have read stuff that tells me that it matters what kind of redirect a person uses when worrying about how Google (or other web search engines) will "see" their site. Now I know very little - but as you know, I read a lot and sort of "collect" the info.

Now that Google search tells me that Google does not index that domain (juliearts.net) at all. However, typing it into my addressbar does redirect me to juliartz.com which then redirects me to jkm-creative.com. I would suggest doing some research into different types of redirects and their different effects on web visibility and search engine results.

To the OP nisdats - I can't imagine how "snagging" all the domains you might think highly relevant to your keywords could hurt, beyond the expense involved. Some Google keyword research might point you in the "right" direction.

purple_reading_giraffe · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 5485 Location: Indiana, USA

So... about the redirects... I went looking through the many SEO blogs & such that my SEObook.com Toolbar provides as a live bookmarks RSS feed. And I found a relevant article (with extended discussion) that might be worth reading, and then bookmarking for future reference. I understood maybe a third of it, I think:

SEOmoz.org - URL Rewrites & 301 Redirects

About what Nisdat wants to know... I say that having useful content on keword-rich domains should be good. Google penalizes duplicate content, I have heard, but if the content is not a copy from site to site, having actual content should be even more "powerful" than just having redirects. At least that's the impression I get. I didn't run across an article about that yet, but if I do.... :D

Try that SEOBook.com Toolbar - very cool stuff ;)

P.S. Getting too "scattered" in the beginning might be counterproductive. That's one of my shortcomings - trying to plan for everything and then never getting started. Reserve a few for future use if you come across them, but concentrate your effort on one, I would suggest.

hotandvintage · Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 1705

nisdats wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
First of all,

newbie at SEO ------> nisdats <---- newbie at SEO :oops:

OK.. if I WAS selling rubber balloons, I would REALLY want to register rubberballoons.com correct?

Would it help if I ALSO registered kidsrubberballoons.com, redrubberballoons.com, partyrubberballoons.com, cheaprubberballoons.com, etc. etc. and have some information on those sites to point to my store which is the original rubberballoons.com

This might be a stupid question and I tried searching but could not find anything related.

Please explain if any one knows..

Does Google like this or does it only hurt you? My reasoning was if someone was searching for say rubber balloons for kids they would find the kidsrubber... site first and foremost.

Is this a BAD idea?

nisdats

If you think about your example there are a lot of possibilities that people could search for, and if you intend having them all, in most if not all the combinations, you may just be throwing away money, for a lot of combinations that will never be used.

I just wonder how you intend doing your research for the top searches?

fugazied · Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 143

In terms of SEO it would be beneficial to register everything surrounding your niche, particularly product variations and frequently searched phrases.

For example with baloons, frequently searched phrases may be:
- "buy balloons"
- "kids baloons"
- "party balloons"

I would try to get a domain for each of those high frequency phrases (you need to do keyword research to ascertain which phrases are frquently searched and have low competition). Try to get the .com but that would be unlikely so you might end up with "buy-ballons.info" You are going for a direct search term match in the URL. You can just use the adwords keyword research tool.

Google LOVES url matches that are .com. You can create a very average site with a small number of incoming web links, and if it has a url match for the search term you often see your site on page 1 google.

There are different ways you can architect the sites, they could be mini-sites pointing to a central balloon sales site, or each site could have it's own conversion path.

I'd personally use the best domain 'buyballoons.com' and point the other sites to it via sales links and buy now links.

Each of the other sites require numerous pages of unique content, should be submitted to directories, should be submitted to social networking sites, should have good on page SEO, and should be on a unique IP address (ideally different servers). The content is of prime importance and you should continue adding it, weekly at the least. Outsource the content addition and can be done cheaply.

You might end up with 50-100 niche sites pointing to your main site. If you promote them properly you'll see a stream of visitors from organic web searches bouncing into your main site. It takes time and money but eventually is far better than throwing money into CPC/CPV all of the time.

purple_reading_giraffe · Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 5485 Location: Indiana, USA

Fugazied - excellent advice, IMO :D