Power Sellers Unite

NewSkies · Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 272

AtomicMall.com wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
It's actually a few years old now but still entertaining.

:)

Yes, believe it was around 2004 but still a winner for the day to me!

ehustle wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Concerning paypal in general, overall...
The paypal we know today is not the paypal we are going to know in 2011.

It may then be the US norm, "the burden of proof is on the claimant", which in PP's case would be the buyer instead of seller. The claim investigation and determination process with PP never ceases to amaze me (although I luckily have no major personal complaints so far!).

mojavelyn wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Read the contracts you sign.

Excellent advice! In this case, if one goes to the actual blog site, it is doubtful that Marc Perk had not been aware of the contract terms; hence " the most dangerous mind on the Internet". http://marc.perkel.com/

mojavelyn · Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:29 am Post subject:

Well, if he read them or not, he had to agree to them... and continued use even after user agreement updates is the implied consent. PP notifies of user agreement changes and fees... If you don't agree with those changes, you can close your account. However I would cancel all my subscriptions before closing my paypal. And making sure that all transactions were completely cleared. In other words... quit accepting PP long before you close your account out.

ehustle · Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 621

All of this brings me back to how thankful I am for PSU.

I learned about where new sites were, was able to go through and read the terms of service for each.

With your own independent web site you can state your terms of payment acceptable.

If you only want to deal in cash, check, money order, google checkout, whatever payment system you want.

Sometimes I wonder what the real percentage of business loss is for the companies like eBay with restricting methods of payment.

I think it's still wise to have some small activity there at eBay just for the interior traffic, then have the ability to showcase your items off the site.

That's a pretty easy avenue to experiment with as long as you are very careful about what kind of customer you want to fit into your business model.

It's a good way to find customers and for some still a very profitable venue and a full time living, but again..I wonder how much they missed by losing the small seller market.

It has to be enormous.

DaLizardsLair · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 4780

Quote: › docWrite("quote")Sometimes I wonder what the real percentage of business loss is for the companies like eBay with restricting methods of payment.

eBay probably considers it worthwhile, when compared to the loss of buyers, who in the past had no recourse against sellers who refused to accept Paypal. If the transaction didn't go well, eBay was unable to get the buyer their money back, leading to buyers going elsewhere.

sciencefare · Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

mojavelyn wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")...I would cancel all my subscriptions before closing my paypal. And making sure that all transactions were completely cleared. In other words... quit accepting PP long before you close your account out.This is very important information. CANCEL any and all subscriptions, and ENSURE that all transactions are fully completed BEFORE closing a PayPal account.

Thanks for posting that oft overlooked bit of information Mo. :o

wphamilton · Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 1940 Location: Georgia

mojavelyn wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
But that guy got some facts twisted... it says in that recording that "this call may be recorded for quality control." He did need to notify the other person being recorded that he was in fact recording the conversation himself when they got on the line. ... not after the fact. AND there are a couple of states that will allow recording of phone conversations as long as only 1 person need know call is being recorded.

It's OT but just to clarify, there are 42 One-Party states. You don't have to get the other guy's permission, you don't have to stop recording if he demands it, and you don't have to even tell him. Utah, where paypal customer support is being transitioned to, is a one party state. California, where paypal support used to be, is a two-party state.

Generally the more restrictive state law on recording applies, so that calls to or from a two-party state require all parties knowledge and consent. The other guy, even if he demands you stop recording, gives his implicit consent by remaining on the line. All of the preceding is fairly well-settled law.

If either party has announced a recording - and "may be recorded" is sufficient I believe - BOTH parties may legally record the call without further notice. I know of no statutes that restrict it to only the party announcing can record. That really wouldn't make much sense when you think about it: you consent to a recording but refuse to be recorded? Doesn't work. So if this guy and PayPal were both in one-party states I'd say he was within his rights to record first and tell them later, two different ways.

DaLizardsLair wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
I know a couple of local businesses that got their bank accounts frozen due to their having donated money to a charity that was later determined to be supporting Hamas.

Was there a court order in those examples? If you're thinking of the case in Plano TX I believe there were Feds, courts and lawyers in it hip-deep.

DaLizardsLair · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 4780

wp,

I believe the federal law on recording telephone conversations take precedent over any state law.

As for my comment about businesses having their bank accounts frozen, no it wasn't in Plano...it was in Michigan.

wphamilton · Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 1940 Location: Georgia

It's the other way around DaLizard, state law takes precedence. Also federal law is closer to the one-party rules than to two-party :)

In Michigan, were the feds or courts involved in freezing those accounts?