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margiesbargains



Joined: 19 Oct 2009
Posts: 3

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: getting ripped off on ioffer  


Well, I am really pissed off. I bought a pair of boots from this seller and just to get a tracking number he sends me a cheap, fake silver, necklace. Then the seller disappears. I couldn't dispute it with paypal because it was ioffer. I cannot get hold of ioffer. I put in a dispute but no replies. I keep emailing ioffer and no replies. I think you have to be very careful when purchasing on ioffer. I know I won't be buying anything else on ioffer. Sorry guys but one bad apple did spoil it.
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love2shop



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Posts: 665

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject:  

If you used a credit card (through paypal) call the card company, and have them do a charge back on it.

This has happened to a lot of people that have made purchases on ioffer. Not saying all sellers are bad, it just seems to be one of those sites that attracks a lot of scammers.
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margiesbargains



Joined: 19 Oct 2009
Posts: 3

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: getting ripped off on ioffer  

It went out of my bank account. There is no telephone number for ioffer which really upsets me. Not even live help which many sites have now. Anyway, thanks for your input.
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serone



Joined: 14 Dec 2009
Posts: 3

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: getting ripped off on ioffer  

Got the same problem aswell.
Can i ask my bank to get my money back if ive paid via paypal?
Or do i get problems with paypal then?
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strikingedeals



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Posts: 98

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: getting ripped off on ioffer  

I think there is no protection for electronic payments through bank.

I tried to file a charge back on a bank funded transaction but the bank declined and said that I authorized the transaction and I lost money on a off-ebay sale.

Since its off ebay paypal will accept the complaint but only refund you if it can recover money from seller.

But still it may depend on your bank.Just call them and ask.Some banks refund customers on basis of customer service.

Always use credit card during purchase even on ebay.

Best wishes.


http://strikingedeals.ecrater.com/

http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/Strikingedeals
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DaLizardsLair



Joined: 16 Feb 2009
Posts: 3291

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject:  

Unless the bank payment was with a debit or credit card, you are basically out of luck.

But what you can do is contact your local prosecutor and ask to have the following charges brought against the seller.

Criminal Fraud
Mail Fraud
Internet Fraud
Conspiracy to Commit Fraud.

The last charge allows the RICO statutes to be brought into play.

Your local prosecutor will tell that they don't have the jurisdiction to do what you ask, and they truly don't. But what they CAN do is refer the matter to your state's Attorney General who DOES have the jurisdiction, to have the seller extradicted and charged.

I'm not sure who you would have to contact in Canada.

Here in Michigan, we have an Attorney General who takes this type of matter quite seriously and has no problems pursuing it.

Sometimes having a police officer at one's door with a warrant and order of extradiction, will get a seller's undivided attention.
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Uncle Mikes Rocket Shack



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Posts: 273

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: getting ripped off on ioffer  

I agree Mike Cox is a super AG. We only sell on ioffer, we never buy anything. Just been too many complaints that go unanswered.

Were thinking of closing down there eventually.
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poppy12



Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: iOffer.com ( rip-offs continue )  

I was totally ripped off by this seller on ioffer.com and now ioffer banned me for reporting the fraud and warning other users on some of his other items for sale. What we need is for anyone scammed by this seller to contact Paypal in the next 3 months and file a claim against them under the (resolution center). 1 person complaining to Paypal will be meaningless. Paypal helps these criminals perpetuate fraud against the honest account holders there and this is heinous. These criminals can send us anything they want and as long as we get the package no matter what is in it we are screwed. I was sent a bait and switch item which was a worthless imitation of the real picture on the seller's ioffer site. What I received isn't worth $1 and I lost $50 for 2 of them. Yes I'm the fool, but don't let yourself be another one. Here is the pertinent info of my rip-off. If you have also been scammed by this person please contact Paypal ASAP. If more than 1 person complains maybe we can at least get his acct cancelled. Our money is gone, gone, gone!

This thread is no longer of any value. Delete it if you want
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jjj525



Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 354

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

I think I have to be cruel here.

I have no sympathy for buyers who buy fakes and when they don't get the quality they hoped for, they come running to psu.

You cannot blame paypal for your mistake.

First you should have paid with a credit card.so there is always buyer protection through charge back.

Second paypal buyer protection clearly says that paypal has no snad off ebay and would refund you only if paypal can recover money from seller.

Also ioffer sellers are mainly from china and most items from there are fake.

Do you also expected to get authentic Louis Vitton items for $50 ?

Also did you checked the site reputation before buying ?

If you check PSU itself cases like yours is already discussed here a numerous times.
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poppy12



Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

What I expected was to get the item that was pictured whether fake or not. Of course I checked all those pertinent facts before I bought. What I am looking for is more buyers from this same seller so we can at least attempt to stop the fraud for other unwitting buyers. I don't expect to get any money back. I only posted this to make others aware. Criticize me anyway you like. But that really makes no sense when I'm trying to stop others from being ripped off. No shock at all being attacked on public sites from a person so young, that's common practice for your age group. I hope you feel better about yourself now that you've belittled someone who is trying to help others avoid the same consequences. I'm not a fool though you seem to think I am. I was extremely foolish in this case so please have a heart and think of others I am trying to prevent this from happening to in the future.
A $50 lesson in life I can live with its the backstabbing criticism I can do without. As you may have ascertained I'm a novice auction buying person so I've only got myself to blame. I probably missed some warning signs that I shouldn't have in his vague answers, but then the language barrier thing I imagined was the cause. I did have 1 good buying experience of a similar item from another iOffer seller and that change holder was fabulous and very near to the same price so I felt slightly confident. Since being burned I think I've kicked myself in the ass enough after they arrived last night. Helpful feedback is more than welcome to try to get this sellers Paypal acct deleted.
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jjj525



Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 354

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

I crticised you only because you brought fakes knowingly which only promote such sellers.

Ioffer won't do anything as they make lot of money on fakes.

They are even letting sellers sell prescription drugs like viagra on their site.

Paypal also don't do anything as sale is off-ebay & snad claims won't apply off-ebay.

Seller's paypal account will be still be in good status.

Paypal go after crooked ones off-ebay only if they are hit with a charge back from a credit card.
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poppy12



Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

Here is more valuable info I gleaned from this site related to the hosting site for these criminals.

Offer Inc
PO Box 78191
San Francisco, CA 94107
ryan@ioffer.com

Ioffer.com
237 Black Walnut Road
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
Ioffer.com
Company Rating F

This is an American company based in CA so how can this be allowed to continue. Can't they be stopped somehow by some federal or state agency?
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DaLizardsLair



Joined: 16 Feb 2009
Posts: 3291

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject:  

Poppy,

How is it the site's fault that you aren't happy with what you purchased from a seller registered on the site.

You didn't buy the item from the owner of iOffer did you?

And I am far from a fan of this site. They are well known for selling counterfeit items, but sorry, it's not their fault that you are not happy with the fake that you received.

You say you want what was pictured, which was more than likely a picture of the real item. But at the price you were paying, any reasonably intelligent person would know that you don't get two designer items for $50.

And it wouldn't matter how many people complained to Paypal. The SNAD complaint is only for eBay transactions.

Your only options would be to take them to court yourself or to contact your local prosecutor and ask them to file the following criminal charges against the seller you did business with.

Criminal Fraud
Internet Fraud
Mail Fraud
Conspiracy To Commit Fraud

The last charge allows the government to bring in the RICO statutes.

Your local prosecutor will tell you, quite truthfully, that they do not have the jurisdiction to file the charges, BUT they do have the right to forward the complaint to your state's Attorney General, who DOES have the jurisdiction, to issue a Warrant for the seller's arrest and a request to have them Extradicted to your state.

And in the future, remember the old adage...

"If it seems to be too good to be true, it probably is".
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poppy12



Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

Please know your facts before you post erroneous info. Directly from Paypal's customer support in response to my complaint to them:

" What's more, if you report the problem to us ,
our relative department will surveil the seller's account for 180
days. During this 180 days if other buyers open disputes for the same
reason with the same seller your case will be re-opened and confirmed and the seller's account with be frozen as we investigate thoroughly."

Secondly I explained in the posts above how I already bought a LV change holder from another buyer on iOffer.com that was very close to the same cost, was the exact same as the one pictured and this person was honest selling exactly what was pictured.

Thirdly I won't get into a debate with you or anyone what the differences are between real or fakes because 90% or more of all products including LV are made in low wage countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, China etc. Made there and sold to the richer Western countries populace at an exorbitant markup. I won't line LV's pockets with outrageous prices when I have already bought from that same site but through another buyer a great change holder. It's exactly the same as an original I bought years ago in America at a LV store and I compared my newest one bought from China with that older " supposedly authentic " one. They are almost the exact same in every detail and quality. LV can price rape the masses, I'll pass

And finally post 1 needs to be read and comprehended. I reported the bait and switch tactics of this seller with pictures and details and my acct there on iOffer was immediately terminated. Did the seller do that no the site did that. They have refused to respond to any emails. Why exactly was my acct. terminated and why are there so so many complaints about iOffer.com all over the web? This site is allowing and helping these criminals continue so they can make profits off honest buyers backs. How much clearer can I make this? Yes I know so many complaints on web so why did I try buying well I already explained that too, more than once.


So please anyone who has bought from this seller open a dispute as explained in post 1 so we can cease their fraudulent activity through Paypal.
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goldenlady



Joined: 10 Sep 2009
Posts: 316

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: iOffer.com rip-off continues  

It sounds as if you are ok with buying and owning counterfeit items, just as long as they have the look of the actual brand you are looking for.

Well, it is just as against the law to purchase or possess counterfeits as it is to sell them.

I think you are walking in muddy territory if you are looking for some legal people to come in and and help you commit illegal activities (because that is what you are doing when you knowingly buy counterfeits - it also seems you are doing this purposely which is double trouble).
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