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theplainsman · Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 150

Here is a copy and post of bidvilles sell thru and now with bonanzles section where one can see what items was sold over the past yr which then will show the sell thru for a yr, sellers now can get some idea what the future holds and what level is needed to keep a site from folding

Here below is bidvilles weekly sell thru and one mulitplys by 52 to compare with bonanzas yearly sell thru and doing this shows very little difference in sell thru and money making. SO if bidville could not make it on the same amount of success with their money and the sellers same sell thru ratio , I really wonder how alternatives can really make it.. since bonz is about the top alternative and no more successful than bidville who could not make it on that same success and money making level.

Science - 5 CAWB, 432 listings, or 1.16% sell-through rate
Science Fiction - 1 CAWB, 1,140 listings, or 0.09% sell-through rate
Textiles - ZERO CAWB, 221 listings, or ZERO % sell-through rate
Tobacciana - 2 CAWB, 358 listings, or 0.56% sell-through rate
Trading Cards - 24 CAWB, 14,527 listings, or 0.17% sell-through rate
Transportation - 8 CAWB, 1,704 listings, or 0.47% sell-through rate
Vanity - 2 CAWB, 214 listings, or 0.93% sell-through rate
Vintage - 1 CAWB, 197 listings, or 0.51% sell-through rate
Writing Instruments - 2 CAWB, 134 listings, or 1.49% sell-through rate

Overall, dimview has examined another 18,927 listings which closed with just 45 bids in the past week (October 7 to date), or 0.24% sell-through rate.

SO just maybe we all can use bidville's data as a way to see what a site has to have in order NOT to fold.

mojavelyn · Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject:

You do realize that you are pulling up a site that has been defunct for a few years.

So if Dimview examined current Bidville str... and bidville has been defunct for years.... Its totally meaningless.

And you are being exactly like Dimview with only looking at what you want to look at and not any of the differences between Bidville and BZ... Now, I'm no fan of BZ... but let me tell you, BZ is run differently from BV.

So Dimview, you can go crawl back in your dumspter.

theplainsman · Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 150

Totally meaningless ? how can anyone say that?

All sellers need to factor in the history of how sites have come and gone .

The sell thru on bidville is very important to understand, that and how much money a site is making in order to see what amount of income and sales does it take for a site to stay open.

It seems some do not want people to know how sites come and go, but this is harmful for sellers NOT to understand this.

So bidville data was showing just as much sales and just as much profit as the top alt site bonanza. WE can finally understand with bonanza's items sold for the past yr in comparison to listings.

I see one of the alternates trying something different, bringing in auctions. Maybe he has to try this cause of not making enough money. BUT with several auction sites failing and ebid not growing i don't see how it will help the site and in reality hurt the site with taking more time to deal with the auctions by admin and make the other part not get as much attention, but like i said he may had to risk it cause of not making enough money.

Bidville and the other sites closing has told us alot and ignoring this is not wise.

hblt46 · Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 296

OMG!!

That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen here!!

He is so desparate that now he's comparing and posting on forums of sites that have been closed.

I am just speechless! Not really, but I'm laughing at him so hard that I can't even type right now.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Digmen1 · Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 1007

I wonder what other site he will do an depth study on next.

mojavelyn · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:24 am Post subject:

Yeah Plainsman, TOTALLY WORTHLESS. Because BV was bought by a larger site and closed. Bidville had been sold at least 2ce from the orignator of Bidvile. UBid, I think, was the last owner and shut it down about a year or so after they bought it. So that makes the stats totally worthless.

theplainsman · Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 150

Bidville was bought and not sold at that time, after seeing it could not work and could not work for profit they closed it. Because of such low value of being unsucessful for a real profit for an owner they could not sell it but instead just closed it.

Also check other sites that have come and gone and check and see the sites SOLD hope and not reality and that seems to be the reality of how alternatives come up for awhile then reality comes and then the DROP and stoppage.

Bidvilles sell thru and profit the same as the top alt that i see bonz. Could not understand clear until seeing the items sold for the last year on bonanza. So bidville could not work with the same results that bonz is giving.

There is a certain process that works with all this. The big hope coming at first then the reality starting and then the fall. WE should NEVER ignore history. History is the BEST teacher!

Like i said before sellers have a different interest than site owners. Sellers makes their money off of reality and many times owners makes their money off of hope.

GAELICTITCA · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 1384

Digmen1 wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")I wonder what other site he will do an depth study on next.

Ohhhhhh.... maybe he'll dredge up some stats for
WAGGLEPOP -- will be equally meaningless, of course,
but if you're gonna talk about BIDVILLE, why not?

hblt46 · Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 296

LOL. It appears from this statement that he made.....

theplainsman wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Also check other sites that have come and gone and check and see the sites SOLD hope and not reality and that seems to be the reality of how alternatives come up for awhile then reality comes and then the DROP and stoppage.

that he's already checked other sites to try to compare Bonz with. It must have broke his heart when he kept finding closed sites as that would give him nothing for his comparison.

Guess he missed the fact that Bidville has been closed for a long time.

Poor fella!

Inseine · Joined: 10 Nov 2008 Posts: 122

Actually, this comparison isn't so dumb as it gives an indication of a target critical mass - STR - if someone wanted to recreate a defunct site and make it more successful than the original.

HOWEVER.. the statistics don't provide the same value if other variables exist.. and that is the case when attempting to compare Bidville with Bonanza.

FeeBay has compensated for low STR by hiking fees and performing other unseemly tricks to boost their bottom line. So although the STR is an indicator of likely seller success on a site, it doesn't necessarily relate to the overall success and sustainability of the site itself.

Don't be so harsh guys.. it has been an interesting bit of speculation!

ovrdubil · Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Richmond, Kentucky

WHOA, WAIT - what are you talking about? BIDVILLE is CLOSED??? It can't be, I still have listings there waiting to be sold....

With Bidville being closed should I try that new place - I think it's called EBAY? or is that another one that will be closing soon also?

mojavelyn · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:22 am Post subject:

Bidville was running on its own inertia. It was already several years old when it closed.

And since Bidville is closed... try going to www.bidville.com and where do you get redirected to?

The bidville domain was created in 1999. The last update to the domain registration was in 2009.

ubid ...
Created on..............: Wed, Nov 27, 1996
Expires on..............: Fri, Jan 13, 2012
Record last updated on..: Thu, Dec 23, 2010

Now if Dimview was comparing Ubid.. it would stand a bit more validity, as its a a live site, but you are still comparing an older established site to a new site. But Dimview does this. Why not compare BZ of this time frame to see how it compares to the Ubid or ebay of 2 years old?

Inseine, even ebay's str is about 40%... that means that 60% of items do not sell.

as of this writing, the ASC reports that ebay has
108,920,313 listings. 43,568,125 will sell. 65,352,187 will not.

mojavelyn · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:34 am Post subject:

theplainsman wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Like i said before sellers have a different interest than site owners. Sellers makes their money off of reality and many times owners makes their money off of hope.

Most sites only make money if the items sell.

Anders · Joined: 28 Dec 2008 Posts: 49

Holy carp, this is a funny thread.

Plainsman, are you saying that you think you actually know what the sell-through rate is on Bonanza?

Were you aware that mid-year, Bonanza changed the way their search function works, both for current and sold listings? They used to search on both title and description, now they search only on title. What you're seeing now is only a fraction of, for example, the "vintage" items that were actually sold. You're seeing only those that actually had room for the word "vintage" in the title.

So, you have no idea how many vintage items there were in the first place, and there's no such thing as a "sold by category" search on Bonanza.

You have no idea how many vintage items actually sold, much less how many would have shown up as sold before the search functionality was changed. In short, YOU HAVE NO CLUE what Bonanza's actual sell-through rate is.

There are many people (including me) who would love to know what Bonanza's (and eCrater's and every other alt site's) sell-through rates are. That's why so many people here are begging sites to disclose the information. Sadly, they're not forthcoming, and it's nearly impossible to estimate.

My sales on Bonanza are nothing to brag about, and they're nothing to brag about on eCrater either, or on any of the alt sites that I've tried. Believe me, I'd be delighted to find out that one site had better sell-through rates than the others, so I could stop this merry-go-round of trying out different sites.

I'm sorry to say that the only thing you've managed to prove in this thread and all the the other threads is that you are, for some reason, desperate to see Bonanza fail. You are desperately trying to find numbers to convince people that Bonanza's not going to make it. Why?