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RiverTam



Joined: 15 Mar 2011
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Seller won't send invoice  

Can anyone help the person I bought from wants me to send an A
Amazon gift card. Is this safe?
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Schistosomiasis



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Seller won't send invoice  

No, it isn't. If the deal goes bad, you won't have any recourse. There is no honest reason why the seller would ask you to do this.

You should notify iOffer and forward any emails the seller sent you.
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Blue Velvet



Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 26

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Seller won't send invoice  

Schistosomiasis wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")No, it isn't. If the deal goes bad, you won't have any recourse. There is no honest reason why the seller would ask you to do this.

You should notify iOffer and forward any emails the seller sent you.

If the deal doesn't pass the smell test, don't make the deal. Why contact iOffer. Could you imagine how many people they would need to track down and investigate every deal in question.

You're the buyer. iOffer is a selling venue. They put two parties together. The two parties then go on to make the deal. No different than a classified in a newspaper. Would you contact your daily newspaper and ask them if a deal sounds right? Should someone call Craigslist before they hire an escort and ask if they are getting a hooker or a killer? Buyer beware or be burned.
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PatchDog



Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject:  

Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Schistosomiasis wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")No, it isn't. If the deal goes bad, you won't have any recourse. There is no honest reason why the seller would ask you to do this.

You should notify iOffer and forward any emails the seller sent you.

If the deal doesn't pass the smell test, don't make the deal. Why contact iOffer. Could you imagine how many people they would need to track down and investigate every deal in question.

You're the buyer. iOffer is a selling venue. They put two parties together. The two parties then go on to make the deal. No different than a classified in a newspaper. Would you contact your daily newspaper and ask them if a deal sounds right? Should someone call Craigslist before they hire an escort and ask if they are getting a hooker or a killer? Buyer beware or be burned.


Why contact iOffer? How about to get a potential scammer off of the site? iOffer should welcome emails like this and give it top priority. No alternative site is ever going to make it without buyers and throwing buyers to the wolves is a surefire way of losing them.
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Blue Velvet



Joined: 15 Jul 2008
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject:  

PatchDog wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Why contact iOffer? How about to get a potential scammer off of the site? iOffer should welcome emails like this and give it top priority. No alternative site is ever going to make it without buyers and throwing buyers to the wolves is a surefire way of losing them.

PatchDog, you and a few others are always talking about the demise of iOffer due to scammers, knockoffs, porn, blah, blah, blah. Guess what, they are still here, they are booming and getting stronger. You, on the other hand, are still here and still posting trash but raising your post count. You need to get a life. Habitual posting is a waste of your time on earth. You are not accomplishing anything. The owners of iOffer appear to have their act together and are building a venue with over 10,000,000 users a month and growing rapidly. Why don't you let them worry if the wolves are eating their buyers.

If a buyer finds a purchase and the seller does not follow the usual protocol of payment, something is fishy and doesn't pass the smell test. At that point the buyer should move on. It called: Buyer Beware. If they decide to follow through and make the purchase and it doesn't workout as they expected, they learned a lesson about buying online. iOffer will see the negative rating and decide if there is a pattern at which time they will deal with the seller accordingly. They are not going to investigate one of the millions of negotiations because a seller asked for a non-traditional payment.

Scammers are weeded out by buyers with the intelligence not to fall for an obvious deviation from the norm. iOffer is a selling venue. Craigslist is a selling venue. Perhaps you don't understand what that means. They put two parties together and the parties decide if they want to make a transaction. The seller, in this case, hasn't done anything wrong yet but they did go outside the normal payment. If buyer doesn't follow through with the deal, the seller will lose the sale and have to resort to the more traditional method of payment in order to sell items online.

PatchDog, there are millions upon millions of negotiations on iOffer. Are you suggesting iOffer should question each seller because their method of payment is out of the norm? You obviously have never owned a successful online selling venue because this is not realistic. iOffer will step in if a pattern of fraud is detected. It is up to the online buyer to decide if they should follow through with an online purchase not iOffer.
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PatchDog



Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject:  

Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
PatchDog, you and a few others are always talking about the demise of iOffer due to scammers, knockoffs, porn, blah, blah, blah. Guess what, they are still here, they are booming and getting stronger. You, on the other hand, are still here and still posting trash but raising your post count. You need to get a life. Habitual posting is a waste of your time on earth. You are not accomplishing anything. The owners of iOffer appear to have their act together and are building a venue with over 10,000,000 users a month and growing rapidly. Why don't you let them worry if the wolves are eating their buyers.

If a buyer finds a purchase and the seller does not follow the usual protocol of payment, something is fishy and doesn't pass the smell test. At that point the buyer should move on. It called: Buyer Beware. If they decide to follow through and make the purchase and it doesn't workout as they expected, they learned a lesson about buying online. iOffer will see the negative rating and decide if there is a pattern at which time they will deal with the seller accordingly. They are not going to investigate one of the millions of negotiations because a seller asked for a non-traditional payment.

Scammers are weeded out by buyers with the intelligence not to fall for an obvious deviation from the norm. iOffer is a selling venue. Craigslist is a selling venue. Perhaps you don't understand what that means. They put two parties together and the parties decide if they want to make a transaction. The seller, in this case, hasn't done anything wrong yet but they did go outside the normal payment. If buyer doesn't follow through with the deal, the seller will lose the sale and have to resort to the more traditional method of payment in order to sell items online.

PatchDog, there are millions upon millions of negotiations on iOffer. Are you suggesting iOffer should question each seller because their method of payment is out of the norm? You obviously have never owned a successful online selling venue because this is not realistic. iOffer will step in if a pattern of fraud is detected. It is up to the online buyer to decide if they should follow through with an online purchase not iOffer.


The issue here is iOffer's customer service responsibilities. I post about many things on my mind but you seem to have just one thing on your mind when you post. To defend iOffer. Even to the point of where you try to discourage a potential buyer on iOffer to contact customer service. If I didnt know better, I would say that you were an employee troll of iOffer who is too lazy to bother investigating claims of possible scamming sellers on iOffer. One only needs to look at your past posts to see you do nothing but defend iOffer.

You say iOffer will step in if a pattern of fraud is detected. How are they going to detect fraud if nobody gives them leads? If there are too many complaints for customer service reps to investigate then that right there shows that iOffer has issues and that maybe they need to beef up their staff to help weed out any bad bad apples that might turn up. To do otherwise would only chase away buyers because of bad experiences from getting ripped off. Unhappy buyers do not go back to get burned again, especially if the site does nothing to help them. If iOffer wants to be taken seriously they need to take care of their buyers as well as their sellers instead of just collecting their fees and claim that they are just a venue. This excuse of "the buyer shoulda known better" is lame. Dont tell us that dumb buyers deserve to be scammed.
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Blue Velvet



Joined: 15 Jul 2008
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: Seller won't send invoice  

Wrong again PatchDog. You should change your name to JunkYardDog. You bark and snarl at anything without any knowledge. I could only wish I was a part of the iOffer team. They appear to be very successful.

As to why I defend iOffer from the chronic PSU posters like you who have absolutely no knowledge about how to be successful in today's market of online selling, I make 80% of my sales on iOffer and that's a lot of money. You should take a course on how to run a successful business and channel your energy into that business rather than being a chronic poster of worthless information. At the end of the day, do you really feel you've accomplished something? I do.

Let's look at your post about "Why contact iOffer?" You next said, "How about to get a potential scammer off of the site?" Potential is the key word. Has this seller done anything wrong? No. Was their request out of the norm? Yes. Should the buyer beware? Yes. Would I do business with this seller? No. Is the payment method this seller requested against the any law or any TOS on iOffer? No. Should iOffer waste the manpower of their customer service to question a seller that's done nothing wrong? Absolutely not. Could you imagine iOffer's customer service contacting every seller who has done nothing wrong and question them about doing nothing wrong. It's perfectly legal what this seller is trying to do. Again not traditional, but legal. Does your brain comprehend how many negotiations, this was a negotiation not a sale, are made on iOffer each day. eBay and Craigslist don't question negotiations, why should iOffer? No, I forgot, PatchDog, likes to dig at iOffer at any opportunity. It ups your post count and you feel important.

A person venturing into online buying needs to be educated enough to notice when a seller deviates from the norm. Upon coming to this realization, they should walk away from the deal if it doesn't sound kosher. This seller obviously sensed something was wrong and posted on PSU. Why post on PSU, if the deal isn't right walk away. There are only another million or so sellers online they could go to that use a more traditional payment method.

You have said I'm a cheerleader for iOffer. I am. I love the site and from the looks at the numbers, so do millions of others. Did you notice they just passed LLBean and Nordstrom in online traffic. You on the other hand have no interest in iOffer. You were probably one of the many on PSU who were kicked off iOffer and have an axe to grind. Go ahead, spew your vile crap but realize you obviously aren't accomplishing anything. So waste your time and enjoy posting on PSU but remember at the end of the day, all your posting won't keep your trailer warm.

PatchDog, you can spew a reply but on this subject I'm done.

RiverTam, using a gift card is not a normal way to purchase an item. If I were you, I would move to another buyer and not waste your time contacting iOffer about this seller because they probably won't do anything since no laws or TOS terms broken.
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thegolfingdolphin



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Seller won't send invoice  

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elpereles



Joined: 15 Dec 2006
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Location: Puerto Rico

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Seller won't send invoice  

I don't understand that kind of sellers don't help anybody in any site. What is the problem to identify scammers in a site? A site that don't maintain and patrol their policies is a site that will never grow.

I read things about iOffer and I can compare it with Blujay. Two sites with big potential, but marketplaces were some sellers and the owners don't care about it.
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PatchDog



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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject:  

Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Wrong again PatchDog. You should change your name to JunkYardDog. You bark and snarl at anything without any knowledge. I could only wish I was a part of the iOffer team. They appear to be very successful.


Google iOffer Scam to see how they come about their success. They collect fees from fly by night sellers who in turn rip off their buyers. I am sure that not all sellers on iOffer are dishonest but iOffer certainly seems to attravt more than their fair share. They seem to save a lot of money by not investing many resources in customer service or protecting their buyers.


Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
As to why I defend iOffer from the chronic PSU posters like you who have absolutely no knowledge about how to be successful in today's market of online selling, I make 80% of my sales on iOffer and that's a lot of money. You should take a course on how to run a successful business and channel your energy into that business rather than being a chronic poster of worthless information. At the end of the day, do you really feel you've accomplished something? I do.

You have no clue about the scope and size of my businesses. To list everything I am involved in would just sound like boasting. I could get into detail but why bother to explain to someone who is probably still operating out of her garage? To suggest that I and others who do not use/like iOffer have no knowledge on how to be successful selling online is a joke. [/quote]
Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
Let's look at your post about "Why contact iOffer?" You next said, "How about to get a potential scammer off of the site?" Potential is the key word. Has this seller done anything wrong? No. Was their request out of the norm? Yes. Should the buyer beware? Yes. Would I do business with this seller? No. Is the payment method this seller requested against the any law or any TOS on iOffer? No. Should iOffer waste the manpower of their customer service to question a seller that's done nothing wrong? Absolutely not. Could you imagine iOffer's customer service contacting every seller who has done nothing wrong and question them about doing nothing wrong. It's perfectly legal what this seller is trying to do. Again not traditional, but legal. Does your brain comprehend how many negotiations, this was a negotiation not a sale, are made on iOffer each day. eBay and Craigslist don't question negotiations, why should iOffer? No, I forgot, PatchDog, likes to dig at iOffer at any opportunity. It ups your post count and you feel important.


No, I do not "dig" at iOffer every chance I get and I am on no crusade. Your post was out of line and you contradicted the sound advice of another poster. It seems that with every post you have ever made on PSU your only purpose is to attack and belittle the 97 percent of sellers here who choose not to sell on iOffer. Your posts are arrogant and you seem to feel that you are superior to others. In which case, why bother to come here at all with your agenda? You did noty come here to learn because apparantly you Know It All and you certainly have not posted a single piece of advice worth the time it takes to type.

Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")

A person venturing into online buying needs to be educated enough to notice when a seller deviates from the norm. Upon coming to this realization,


So uneducated or stupid buyers deserve to be scammed?

Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")

they should walk away from the deal if it doesn't sound kosher. This seller obviously sensed something was wrong and posted on PSU. Why post on PSU, if the deal isn't right walk away. There are only another million or so sellers online they could go to that use a more traditional payment method.

They came to PSU for adevice and to share their experience as this is one of thepurposes of PSU.
Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
You have said I'm a cheerleader for iOffer. I am. I love the site and from the looks at the numbers, so do millions of others. Did you notice they just passed LLBean and Nordstrom in online traffic. You on the other hand have no interest in iOffer. You were probably one of the many on PSU who were kicked off iOffer and have an axe to grind. Go ahead, spew your vile crap but realize you obviously aren't accomplishing anything. So waste your time and enjoy posting on PSU but remember at the end of the day, all your posting won't keep your trailer warm.

No, I didnt notice who they passed in traffic and I could care less. As for my accomplishments, this is just another attack/insult. Also, I was never kicked off of iOffer or any other site. As for your comment about a trailer? You are suggesting that I am just some poor white trash who van only afford to live in a trailer park? I own 3 houses in the USA and 2 condos in China all bought and paid for. 2 of my properties are rental properties and that is just the tip of the iceberg. I am also in the process of negotiating to buy the office/warehouse property where my main US business is conducted out of which I currently lease.
Blue Velvet wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
PatchDog, you can spew a reply but on this subject I'm done.

You are "done" and you have shown that you are also ignorant of the facts about myself personally and the forum in general. You are like many trolls here who resort to attacking the messenger instead of discussing the facts and your attempts to defend iOffer against any and all takers are flimsy and hold no water. The facts are that iOffer needs to do more to protect their buyers and they are profiting handsomely at the expense of "stupid buyers" who in your opinion, deserve to be scammed.
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BlueMoon



Joined: 16 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject:  

WoW!!

I'm sorry you had to deal with that one PatchDog. But as usual you handled it very professionally as you do with all your posts :D

As far as intelligence and professionalism goes, the differences in the postings between you two a blind man can appreciate :)

When I see postings like this, full of name calling and ranting, it makes me want to find out what and where they are selling because I want to make sure that I do not purchase anything from such an unprofessional seller.
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