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elgato · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 17240 Location: Texas

By mention of one of our members I created an new political thread for the upcoming 2012 Presidential election only.

Of the canidates running, who would you pick and is there someone who is NOT running that you would like in the race?

arcanesanctuary · Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 535

We have a gorilla in our zoo that knows some sign language. To me that makes them smarter and any republican out there.

GreyJaguar · Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 316

There is some talk now about another Democrat running against Obama. I'd like to see that happen. Bottom line, I would Not vote for our current President.

Don't have an opinion yet on the Republican selection. I do hope Palin does Not enter the race. That would just make things worse.

PatchDog · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 3735

arcanesanctuary wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
We have a gorilla in our zoo that knows some sign language. To me that makes them smarter and any republican out there.

So I guess your answer is to reelect President Obama? One thing I am noticing is that many who lean to the left and many Democrats have stopped trying to defend President Obama but instead just attack any Republican. Take a look at the Politics thread and you will see that instead of debating that the Democratic Party is making things right, the theme is that no Republican is good enough for the job so it should be President Obama's by default. I disagree. I voted Democrat the last election because I thought that it was time for a change and that President Obama would have the best chance at making it happen. I have seen change, but not for the better.

It seems that our choices are going to be Barrack Obama and whomever ends up on teh top of the heap for the Republicans in June, 2012. Another four year sof this administration is not the answer. Time to try something different again. I do have to agree that many of the Republicans candidates leave too much to be desired. Romney? He' weak. Perry? Weak, not too bright and has too many friends in Corporate America. Palin? Bachmann? Santorum? Gingrich? They are scare me. Too overbearing and not willing to listen to reason. I know a President has to be strong and to be a leader but a good leader listens to sound advice and takes it into consideration. I dont see that with these candidates.

Who's left? Herman Cain and Ron Paul? Not the usual Republican candidates. I like many of Ron Paul's ideas but he seems to be unpredictable. I like many things that Herman Cain says but can he deliver
? I especially like his ideas of REAL REFORM on the tax code, expecially when he said he favored the Fair Tax. I have been studying his 9-9-9 plan and I dont know whether I like or dislike it yet. I think 9 percent corporate taxes are too low. In theory everyone will pay 9 percent income tax and a 9 percent National Sales Tax. In effect, his plan would tax both consumption and income. More importantly, he has new ideas on how to run things and doesnt want to keep doing business the same way like most of the other candidates. We've tried Hope and Change and maybe now it is time to get back to the basics and use common sense.

Speaking of common sense. Govenor Bobby Jindal has Louisiana on the right track. It seems he has no interest in running for President this time around but if he were in the race, I'd give him serious consideration. If President Obama wins in 2012 I expect to see Jindal running in 2016. His theory might be that nobody can unseat Obama now and 4it would be better to rum in 2016 as a new candidate than the guy who lost in 2012.

arcanesanctuary · Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 535

PatchDog wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")arcanesanctuary wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
We have a gorilla in our zoo that knows some sign language. To me that makes them smarter and any republican out there.

So I guess your answer is to reelect President Obama?

No I said exactly what I said in my post. When it comes time for the election in Nov. 2012, I plan on a write in vote for Bananas, the gorilla in our local zoo. I see what everyone else does except I speak the truth. Republicans go for Republicans, Democrats go for Democrats. As long as this exists, the USA will be the same big smelly brown turd Bush laid in his second term in office. Do I get to complain? I do cause I voted for John Kerry and yet here I sit, out of work, my business bankrupt, hoping my benefits card gets replenished on the 8th of every month.

I'm tired of people going to Washington and caring more about their political party than they do their country. Even in New York State everything is such a disgraceful mess that for a while earlier this year, Vets didn't get their meal subsidies. Vets not getting food is BS. Anyone who put their onions on the line for me in some god forsaken 3rd world piece of crap country gets lifetime pass and every benefit they were promised when they joined the service.

So for the Election in 2012, write in some asinine persons name for president, can't get worse, we're already screwed.

PatchDog · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 3735

arcanesanctuary wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
No I said exactly what I said in my post. When it comes time for the election in Nov. 2012, I plan on a write in vote for Bananas, the gorilla in our local zoo. I see what everyone else does except I speak the truth. Republicans go for Republicans, Democrats go for Democrats. As long as this exists, the USA will be the same big smelly brown turd Bush laid in his second term in office.

I agree 100 percent but it goes way back before Bush Part 2. For the last 20 years partisonship and a lack of politicians refusing to cross the aisle have been ruining this country. This is why I don't want to vote for a "traditional" politician. It is the reason why I voted for Obama. I am looking for a candidate who is not in the mainstream of their party but one who isnt afraid to buck the party leadership. Even the media is trying to get in on the action and "pick" the best candidate. Herman Cain wins a straw poll by a huge margin and the big story is not about this upset but about the perceived media frontrunners, Romeny and Perry. The media is trying to tell us that these two are the best suited Republicans in the field. They fit some kind of mold I guess cause I cant telkl them apart. I'm tired of white, upper class men running this country for the benefit of other white upper class men.

AtomicMall.com · Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 970 Location: Yakima, WA

PatchDog wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Romney? He' weak. Perry? Weak, not too bright and has too many friends in Corporate America. Palin? Bachmann? Santorum? Gingrich? They are scare me.

The race could get really interesting if Christie decides to run, and recent comments indicate he could very well do that. Voters are hungry for honest, direct talk without pretense and fluff. Love him or hate him, this guy Christie delivers that in spades, and he has the gift of gab like no one since Clinton. I think the nomination is his for the taking. All he has to do is step up and claim it.

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cohibastore.com · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 4908

For the benefit of the poor SOBs who live in NJ, Christie should stay put and continue to fix NJ as best he can. All of NJ, but mostly the hardworking producers and general everyday Joe have been getting the shaft from the NY and Philly dominated unions and Politicians who have completely forgotten about anyone outside 30 miles of NY and 20 miles from Philly or Trenton.

As for the press pushing Romney and Perry, they are good for Democrats in the long run, otherwise the press wouldn't be supporting them. That's why the "machine" pushed McCain. The GOP did it as Payback for supporting Bush and the press pushed him becuase he was a weak candidate. (Not that anyone else running was strong.)

I just wish there was a qualified experienced viable candidate from any party to consider, becuase as it sits there's no one I'd vote for. (Paul won't make it and so I'll be voting for the libertarian candidate next year.)

CS

arcanesanctuary · Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 535

Atomic Mall is right. That Christie from NJ is a real talker and he has quite a few interesting points. Will be interested if he runs. Clinton was the king, they even considered repealing that run and done 2 term limit law.

cohibastore.com · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 4908

arcanesanctuary wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Clinton was the king

Clinton was blessed that nothing seriously bad happened during his presidency. Calm waters do not make great leaders.

(Aside: Can you imagine ALGORE refusing to hunt bin laden becuase of the CO2 emissions from the jets.)

cohibastore.com · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 4908

Hmm, not sure if Time thinks Christies a threat to Obama and wants to de-rail him, or perhaps its just accurate reporting. So hard to trust anyone in the media now-a-days

Will Chris Christie Be the Conservatives' Savior? Don't Bet on It

http://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-delivers-electrifying-speech-hes-no-conservative-094802923.html

PatchDog · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 3735

Some thoughts on the upcoming primaries.

Palin and Christie decided not to throw their hats in the ring. I don't think Bachmann, Huntsman or Santorum are going to last out the year. It's looking like Romney, Perry, Cain, Gingrich and Paul will be around for the initial caucuses and primaries. Newt seems to be hitching is wagon to Cain's star. A Cain-Gingrich ticket has it's merits. Cain is a strong leader with many good, solid ideas but he doesn't know his way around Washington. He could very well end up like President Obama in that he underestimated the importance of having a strong Vice President overseeing Congress and keeping the wheels turnings. Gingrich is not a likeable person but I have to admit that if he were Vice President, Congress would be toeing the line. President Obama just isn't strong enough to break down the bi-partisanship which has gridlocked this country for the last 18 years.

I initially thought that the media would try to keep candidates such as Cain and Paul in the shadows and try to promote a two horse race between Romney and Perry but Cain's and Paul's surprise straw poll successes have been getting them more attention from the media. Ron Paul has no prayer of becoming President but the few supporters he does have are very enthusiastic and loyal. Cain's supporters are much like that too but he appeals to a broader base. Much like 2008, Ron Paul probably will not drop out of the race but if he does, it would only be because his dropping out would benefit Cain. They share many of the same ideas about the role of the Federal Government in our lives.

Perry is quickly becoming irrelevant. The only reason that he should make it to the initial primaries is because he is the darling of the Republican Party establishment and they will throw money at him unless it becomes obvious that he will not win.

Romney is just "there" and yet, he's the frontrunner on the Republican side. More than anything, he just seems to be trying to do nothing. He's been running for President since 2007 and instead of trying to win the nomination, it's like he's trying not to lose it. He's not taking chances on anything that might backfire on him. While he might have the name recognition and funds, I hope he starts to show some signs of life. Now more than ever we need to have a President who is willing to take charge, be innovative and stick his neck out for the sake of this country. Based on the way he's running his "you already know me" campaign it would not surprise me that if he did get nominated, then Palin would be tagged as his running mate.

On a side note, yes Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer are still running for Republican Party nomination as well.

On the Democratic side, so far only 1 person has stated they will run for President against Barrack Obama. Somebody named Randall Terry who was a used car salesman and is very strong supporter of the pro-life moved who had was an original founder of Operation Rescue, a radical and some would even say a terrorist anti-abortion group. Terry doesn't have a prayer and I doubt he'd even get a chance to share the stage with Obama during a debate.

It has been speculated that Hillary Clinton will run against her boss but I can't see any Democrat making a serious run for nomination.

Sidreb · Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 126

I could possibly run....

elgato · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 17240 Location: Texas

"Study: Cain tax plan raises taxes on 84 percent"

WASHINGTON (AP) — Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, according to an independent analysis released Tuesday, contradicting claims by the Republican presidential candidate that most Americans would see a tax cut.

The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, says low- and middle-income families would be hit hardest, with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent.

"You're talking a $2,700 tax increase for people with incomes between $10,000 and $20,000," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "That's huge."

http://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20111018/c4777e26-229b-42aa-8d1c-b113553da309

cohibastore.com · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 4908

elgato wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent

Only becuase they generally pay little or taxes at that level. Plus they get lots of government aid at that level. More than on person in that household and a world of freebies is at their fingers tip from medicaid to food stamp to section 8.