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Threshold



Joined: 16 Oct 2011
Posts: 2

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:34 pm    Post subject: Bootlegging on eCrater  

http://moviedetective.ecrater.com/

Quotes from the seller's own feedback profile:

"The movies were obviously pirated and arrived in cellophane CD envelopes; no cases and no images."

"I cannot believe I paid money for a BURNED COPY of a movie. RIDICULOUS!"

"This is not a DVD of the movie; it is a low grade copy of a not too good VHS copy of the film. Avoid"

This would seem to conflict with eCrater's own stated policy, which disallows "pirated materials and products". eCrater were informed over a month ago and have chosen to take no action. An attempt to raise the subject in their own forum resulted in the thread being deleted.
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goldenlady



Joined: 10 Sep 2009
Posts: 316

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:24 am    Post subject:  

As with any selling venue, they can not police every individual listing on their own. eCrater has a very small staff. They count on reports from the eCrater community. Did you report the situation to the administion so that they could take action? I have always had good results when letting the administration know of issues on the site (which there haven't been many in my 5 or 6 years there). Posting to their forum isn't the answer. You need to go straight to the administration.

Did you get your money back by going through the payment service you used (PayPal or Google Checkout)?

If you couldn't get your money back from the seller, or the payment service, did you report the situation to your credit card provider? That is another way to get your money back.

After all of that, did you leave feedback so that others could see what was going on? Did you bother to read the seller's feedback before you decided to purchase? That is partly what it is there for, to help prevent buyers from fraudulent sellers. There was plenty of warnings in that feedback.

Doing all of the above is more fruitful than coming here with such reports. Noone here can do anything about it.

And if you think that eCrater is the only site with this issue, you are wrong. I believe that every venue on the net has to deal with this issue. You should be aware that electronics and video type sales suffer high fraud on the net. That is why some venues put restrictions on those types of sellers.
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elpereles



Joined: 15 Dec 2006
Posts: 1991
Location: Puerto Rico

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Bootlegging on eCrater  

It is strange. The eCrater Team is little, but they suspend stores reported in less than a week.

It looks like somebody need to communicate with eCrater. Please use this link:

http://www.ecrater.com/contact.php

I believe in the idea of "sharing" or "trade" items, not selling fakes/pirated items. Also if I want a to buy a real movie in its original package. I will 1rst take some time to made a good search in Internet and not just "click click" and buy an item. In less than 5 minutes I read the front page, About, Terms, etc. and after reading. As a buyer I will never buy form this guy because it is something not right.
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Comics-Emporium



Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Posts: 53

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bootlegging on eCrater  

Threshold wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")http://moviedetective.ecrater.com/

Quotes from the seller's own feedback profile:

"The movies were obviously pirated and arrived in cellophane CD envelopes; no cases and no images."

"I cannot believe I paid money for a BURNED COPY of a movie. RIDICULOUS!"

"This is not a DVD of the movie; it is a low grade copy of a not too good VHS copy of the film. Avoid"


It happens unfortunately. Illegal DVD's are every where and believe me there are many getting reported and removed from Ecrater , but more & more keep coming, and most of the help on Ecrater moderating is volunteers.

Thing you should always look out for when buying a DVD anywhere on the Internet. If it says

DVD-R Disk, DVD+R Disk, DVD-RW Disk
Out of Print
Public Domain Copy
Comes in a Paper Sleeve with no Artwork
Doesn't come in a DVD case
Just a Picture of the poster and no Picture of the actual DVD or Case

All these are signs that usually(99.9% of the time) mean that its going to be a Bootleg Copy

If you paid for it through Paypal or Google checkout then report it to them as bootleg. Also do what elpereles says and report it to Ecrater on their front page or this link
http://www.ecrater.com/contact.php
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quicksrt



Joined: 26 Oct 2009
Posts: 410

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject:  

There are movies that are out of copyright titles, Public Domain titles which are fine and legal to sell on DVD-R.

Be careful about lumping all sellers of copies into the bootlegger group.
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Threshold



Joined: 16 Oct 2011
Posts: 2

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject:  

The vast majority of the titles in that store, however, are not Public Domain, nor is he selling them on the basis that they are.

He is selling copies of DVDs that are "not commercially available in the US", i.e. foreign DVDs of films that may not have had a US video release precisely because they are not Public Domain and the rights holders have not made a deal with a US distributor (for whatever reason).

This title, for example, is a 1987 Thames Television series that was only released as a region 2 DVD in the UK:

http://moviedetective.ecrater.com/p/8778804/buster-keaton-a-hard-act-to-follow-1987

And yes, it's a copy, not the original disc that he's selling. As the seller himself explains on his homepage, he sells "region-free DVD-Rs" without cover art.

His own buyers confirm this. More of his feedback comments:

"A copy made on a home computer"

"I was not pleased with the copied, plain sleeved items"
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quicksrt



Joined: 26 Oct 2009
Posts: 410

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Bootlegging on eCrater  

Threshold wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")http://moviedetective.ecrater.com/

Quotes from the seller's own feedback profile:

"The movies were obviously pirated and arrived in cellophane CD envelopes; no cases and no images."

"I cannot believe I paid money for a BURNED COPY of a movie. RIDICULOUS!"

"This is not a DVD of the movie; it is a low grade copy of a not too good VHS copy of the film. Avoid"

This would seem to conflict with eCrater's own stated policy, which disallows "pirated materials and products". eCrater were informed over a month ago and have chosen to take no action. An attempt to raise the subject in their own forum resulted in the thread being deleted.

So you joined here to this forum just to rat out a seller on EC?

Might be Bad Karma! I would stay out of it and mind my own bee's wax.
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GAELICTITCA



Joined: 25 Apr 2005
Posts: 1375

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Bootlegging on eCrater  

quicksrt wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Might be Bad Karma! I would stay out of it and mind my own bee's wax.

He was ripped off by this seller selling pirated material so it very much is his business.

This kind of crap is exactly why I will not do business on ecrater (or iOffer for
that matter --- among many, many other reasons)
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caljack



Joined: 08 Feb 2011
Posts: 446
Location: California

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject:  

GAELICTITCA wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
quicksrt wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Might be Bad Karma! I would stay out of it and mind my own bee's wax.

He was ripped off by this seller selling pirated material so it very much is his business.

This kind of crap is exactly why I will not do business on ecrater (or iOffer for
that matter --- among many, many other reasons)


Writing here doesn't solve the problem. Informing admin of eCrater would. There are tons of sellers on eCrater and I'm sure most do not sell phony items. eCrater is quick to suspend stores if notified.
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xbaystores



Joined: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 677

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject:  

caljackscollectibles wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
GAELICTITCA wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")
quicksrt wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")Might be Bad Karma! I would stay out of it and mind my own bee's wax.

He was ripped off by this seller selling pirated material so it very much is his business.

This kind of crap is exactly why I will not do business on ecrater (or iOffer for
that matter --- among many, many other reasons)


Writing here doesn't solve the problem. Informing admin of eCrater would. There are tons of sellers on eCrater and I'm sure most do not sell phony items. eCrater is quick to suspend stores if notified.


In the OP he said he informed eCrater and nothing was done, so he posted it in their forum and the post was deleted.
If this is true, it shows one thing that is lacking in the larger alternatives. They get so big but take almost no seller revenue that they can't afford to police the site.
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All Things Luxury



Joined: 26 Sep 2011
Posts: 76

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject:  

Fakes are going to slip through, this is a simple fake. The sheer number of listings makes it impossible to police them all. Unfortunately at the moment this is simply a fact we must live with.
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