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saturn · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 87

when bidville came on the scene ... there was this very odd behavior of this guy on auctionwatch forums... always posting negative no matter what... and later finnally people and the forum saw what he was doing.. intentionally not trying to reason but trying to find any negative on the site without weighing any positives... so then we all knew his angle. and he was banned from the forums but still he did that negative on bidville all over the net in many forums....

what i'm getting at... in THESE forums there are alot of up to no good stuff going on ..disquised as help..... so many competitors also trying to stab others .. and other mental issues at play also.... so people should always watch for anyone who posts over 2 negative posts about a site.. since normal people would move on after they find a site is not good.. they simply go find that is good..... so this negativity is a smoking gun for knowing who the up to no good people are ..

posting alot about ones site they like is fine .. also promoting ones site is fine.... but the up to no good people do NOT want to compete in this up FRONT way..... when we say we like a site.. we are letting others know we may be biased so that is being UP front ... when doing the competing by being negative that hides from the readers what their biases are and can make people get fooled easier.......again watch out for negative posters.. they could be up to no good and theur biases are being HIDDEN... when promoting a site the biase for the site is SEEN...!!and readers can analyze more correctly..... it is really UGLY how the negative posters do their COMPETIN

lotsofgoodstuff · Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 282 Location: CA

Well, saturn, you seem to consider posting low sell-through rates as negative. I have read dimview's reports for years, and believe me, his main agenda was to show how little really sells at BV. The cussing and complaining was done mainly by other disgruntled sellers or buyers.

One does not have to be Einstein to figure that out. Read the BV boards lately? Sellers leaving in a hurry, even now after uBid took over. BV keeps the stores open, and auctions running, even after a seller was suspended or has left. Same old game, just to keep the numbers up.

Would be interesting to see the numbers of ebay-sellers that flocked to BV and left after receiving no bids, no hits within several weeks.

BV is a site for low-priced items. Try to sell something over $100.00 there. All you will get are non-paying bidders or scammers. If you sell sportscards (and even they complain now), or dollar items, it is the place to list.

saturn · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 87

yes as you posted here about his main agenda being to show how few sales are there.... he was not getting paid .. he was using up his time with his family. he was using up his time to list ona site and make some money.... can't you see this being his MAIN agenda proves that he had a big problem??

when bidville first came out .. theey were the best chance along with yahoo to grow to compete with ebay.. it just stands to reason that feebay would hire someone to go after any competitors.. either that or he was a very very sick person for harming his life and family.. one spends his time where it does him good.... this is money or time working with family... his MAIN LIFE of going everywhere hollaring about sale rates is not something a nomral person would do.. and also him NOT stating that its NOT the slee thru rate that is most important to a seller BUT the profit of time and money.... always remembver how free list days gave us all better profit but much lower sell thru rate cause we had much more listed... same with bidville.. him AVOIDING this profit info is proof he was up to NO GOOD!!l

lotsofgoodstuff · Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 282 Location: CA

Saturn, I don't waste time trying to figure out if dimview was/is "hired" by other auction sites so they get insider information about BV. That sounds a little far fetched to me. I don't think that ebay, even with fewer sales, ever had to worry seriously about BV or any other little site, at least not while it is so mismanaged and virtually no advertising done. JMO.

And what profit are you talking about? How much profit is there in sales for items that are listed for 1 - 10 bucks.

How much is the FVF?
$0.01-$25.00 5%
$25.01-$1000.00 $1.25 + 2.5% of amount over $25.00
Over $1000.00 $25.63 + 1% of amount over $1000.00

I see sellers menitoning that their monthly bill is less than a buck. A joke.
You know, if I want to buy REALLY cheap, I buy at BV - if I can find the item I am looking for which is unfortunately mostly not the case.

Did you know that dimview is a seller at BV? :)

saturn · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 87

there is not much time at all in figuring out the clear problem dimviewww has...... you said he was a seller at bidville.... see somehow yu didn't catch just what that means.. that means he is up to no good.. wasting his time being a seller on a site he says is the worst on the net... just knowing that is a slam dunk clue and one does not have to waste time seeing anything else... you couldn't catch what that meant???

it seems that is what they BOTH do dimviewww and tt they go in and watch and post any negative thing they can... someone is either hiring them or they need a mental horsepital bed..

yes this also proves wp owner as doing correctly with making his forums private and booting out troublemakers.. he may become alittle paranoid and boot out some innocent BUT make no mistake that he does NEED to boot real troublemakers!!

lotsofgoodstuff · Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 282 Location: CA

saturn wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")

it seems that is what they BOTH do dimviewww and tt they go in and watch and post any negative thing they can... someone is either hiring them or they need a mental horsepital bed..

yes this also proves wp owner as doing correctly with making his forums private and booting out troublemakers.. he may become alittle paranoid and boot out some innocent BUT make no mistake that he does NEED to boot real troublemakers!!

LOL - you don't have to be a seller/buyer to watch the progress/success of a site. Just reading the boards or better - checking auctions/bids/closed auctions should be enough.

And you are contradicting yourself. You said that dimview posted all over the net nastyness about BV. I said he posted the stats. Again, no need to be a member of a site or poster, you can figure out the stats by checking on finalized auctions. I have absolutely no experience or knowledge about WP, never read their boards, not even visited this site after their first "breakdown". If the sales are rotten it will be known.

zacksavenue · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 256

Don't know what this response is going to get but here goes!

I was on BV when all heck was breaking on the message boards, when the sellers were buying from each other and if you were not one to kiss arse, you had very few if any sales. That was a few years ago! Got news for everyone. The ONLY thing that has changed at that site is the fact that the bickering that was taking place on the boards is no longer allowed BUT the buying and selling are still with the majority of those that know each other and kiss each other's arse.

Was there not long ago. Even had a store. And not one sale there. So in my opinion what Dimview was trying to state was the obvious about that site.

Now a lot of you are going to disagree with some of this and will state now I am not getting into a battle over it.

But I have been there, seen what was going on, had some hands on with kissing arse and made some sales by doing so. Without kissing anyone's butt, had no sales.

BV people got bent all out of shape over what Dimview had stated, most, I might add was the truth. FUNNY thing about the truth ...... everyone seemed to have hated it because someone actually posted it.

This site was supposed to start advertising!!! Crapola they are! They were supposed to be doing that from the very beginning! They have done little or no advertising. Ubid buying them?! Ubid is hands off concerning the site. They are on their own. Ubid only owns the site but as far as how BV is being ran, they have nothing to do with it. Was told this by someone at Ubid. Cannot remember who so don't ask.

In my opinion, if BV "wants" to be the next in line to Greedbay, then they should start at management level and figure out what the heck is going on and how to fix things. Sales over there will never improve if things keep going the way that they are.

One of the first things people do when they go to a site is check the message boards. Would you honestly consider the boards there a welcome to anyone who could possibly a buyer? I would not!

So, for all of those that think this site is so great and that Dimview is so screwed, look at what is in front of you and then think again. He had no agenda that he did this for his own purposes. The only thing that he created was to upset people in listening to what he had to say. And just like TV and radio, don't like the channel change it. There is such a thing as blocking people here. Funny how people do not use it but request that one's that they do not want to hear from be banned.

And this people is as democratic as I am going to be on this subject.

JMHO

saturn · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 87

again its not that the site bidville is a good site... it was a NEW site and a new site will have problems at first for sure.... the problem is dimvieww lived his whole life on this negative of a site trying to build.. this has to be someone being paid or a peson needing a horspital...anyone that does not agree with one of these 2 conclusions are either naive or worse... there is NO other options to describe the reason why dimvieww was living his whole life on the negative of bidville... its a no brainer!!

there may be REAL ebay plants who do indeed go live to limit a possible competitor.. this is just logical and business sense.. but people who say this is not so are living in a fairy land.....

someone i think i read some of puddings and xxpmans posts about something about live world... about how that may be set up to pay people to go thru all the forums to unflunece... don't know if thats true BUT that does make logical sense....

one has to follow THE MONEY to understand what is going on in seller forums... there are many hidden agendas... some being paid to lower a site by a competitor..... anyone that don't think this is happenning s just naive..

so there is just 2 options to explain dimviewws living his life with negative on bidville... either he was assigned that site to work negative on and getting paid or he needs a horsepital..... there are no other options...

all forums should have a limit on posting negative about a site.... maybe 2 negative post limit.. that would help stop this possible sabatogue to lower sites and which hurts all us sellers from trying to find a site most ready to grow... nothing wrong with a million postings of positive on a site even lies to promote.. people can see the agenda with that... the negative posters are hiding their agendas..

xxpman mentioned live world does he see what is going ON?? and are tt people from that site??

lotsofgoodstuff · Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 282 Location: CA

zacksavenue - perfect statement.

saturn - you think that posting stats about low sales are the reason for the failure of a site? (I don't mean these trashy fights about personal disagreements on the auction boards here. That definitely might contribute to some buyers turning away from a site.)

I truly wish you good luck and many, many sales!

fruity · Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 375

WOW, PSU is turning into the Days of Our Lives.

I know nothing about WP, BV and all those other venues. But I can say this, if you are seeing a problem with any of them or the people you are much better to provide specific examples so that the people you are trying to motivate listen to you.

That is what you're trying to do, right? Motivate people to see what you are seeing? If someone is doing something wrong then provide the details and a real example so that others can see what you are seeing. Because whatever message you are trying to convey, is not the message people are getting from your posts.

I don't like any of the venues so don't even go there with me. lol

rowsofclothes · Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 73

saturn wrote (View Post): › docWrite("quote")

what i'm getting at... in THESE forums there are alot of up to no good stuff going on ..disquised as help..... so many competitors also trying to stab others .. and other mental issues at play also.... so people should always watch for anyone who posts over 2 negative posts about a site.. since normal people would move on after they find a site is not good.. they simply go find that is good..... so this negativity is a smoking gun for knowing who the up to no good people are ..

Wow, and you just described perfectly! :P

viewit · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 252

Site is run by 1 human and 2 robots. Zero online management. Online auction sites, 2nd and lower tier, are faceless, let the user beware. They hardly bounce fraud auctions because they are making money off of the featured category. They know maybe 1% instead of a 90% qualifying experience online auction level. You may have 1 or 2 $7 an hour non-employees employee. Get the drift?

viewit · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 252

saturn
problem is there is not one worthwhile auction site for public bidding and selling, all below a standard level of acceptance to anyone with a working brain.
We usae one or more till a real good one comes along :-(

Texas-treasure · Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 511

It looks like the BV cheerleaders are here. This has been going on for years. Dimview is critical of BV, therefore Dimview is EVIL.
Dimview has been right on the money about everything he has said so far about BV.

Besides which, most of Dimview's comments are made at other sites where open and honest discussion IS allowed-I think that's called freedom of speech and I'd rather not do away with it just to protect BV

You can shake your pom poms all you want but the fact remains that in 6 years, BV has effectively managed to stagnate. Bv may prevent folks from saying that on their forums but it won't change the facts.

TAILS CARD CELLER · Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 122

Dimview was more than just critical of the site. My opinion it was more of an obsession with the fights he knew he would cause. Paid by someone else to do it, I don't think so. The stats never bothered me a bit. The bashing of the sellers, calling them stupid and so forth was uncalled for.

He/she was recently suspended from the boards for a year. Still has auctions running last I knew. Beats me how someone can hate a place so much but still sell there.

Not all sellers there hate it, just the ones who choose to make it public on the boards. The vast majority of sellers don't even bother with the boards. Some that are very successful.