I questioned quite a few things with Gore when I found out that the family business was growing and selling tobacco.

Quote: › But there wasn't and isn't another American Company that could have handled the work Halliburton was paid to do on that scale with so little notice.

Especially when you've got one of your own in a top leadership position in the White House, so that you'll know everything that's happening before it actually happens.

elliemay wrote (View Post): › psunite wrote (View Post): › How is this any different then Dick Cheney and Halliburton It's not any different. They are all crooks! Hopefully, a day will come that folks will realize that Republican/Democrat is now just something to keep the people divided. They have been very successful with this tactic. Just look at the arguments that have taken place on these boards and all across the internet. Republicans and Democrats are just 2 heads on the same snake. Both sides are full of corruption. As long as they have the people divided and arguing they will be able to continue with their agenda. Sadly, I believe the petty arguments will continue on and in the meantime more rights will disappear. More taxes will be added. More....more...more....

You are so right elliemay. I too wish more could see it doesn't matter by what name whether Democrat or Republican you chose to call yourself or those in office they are all part of the problem and each of us needs to take responsibility for allowing them all to do what they do.

Passing the buck is just a way to keep us all occupied fighting each other while they take turns screwing up the country for their own benefit.

Unfortunately I don't see the American people as a whole standing up together to stop it for a long long time. Perhaps sometime in the future.

One can only hope.

Bad Climate for Global Worriers
By George Will

Intelligent people agree that, absent immediate radical action regarding global warming, the human race is sunk. That is a tautology because those who do not agree are, definitionally, unintelligent. Britain's intelligent prime minister, Gordon Brown, gives scary precision to the word "immediate." By his reckoning, humanity now has about 30 days to save itself. He says that unless a decisive agreement is reached at the 192-nation summit on climate change that opens Dec. 7 in Copenhagen, all is lost.

So, all is lost. The chances of a comprehensive and binding treaty are approximately nil.

The fourth of five parlays preparing for Copenhagen occurred in Bangkok from Sept. 28 through Oct. 9, with delegates from about 180 nations participating. Remember diplomat George Kennan's axiom that the unlikelihood of reaching an agreement is the square of the number of parties at the table? The meeting adjourned with, as usual, essentially no progress toward an agreement on reduced emissions by developed nations or on the money such nations should pay to finance developing nations' efforts against global warming.

The New York Times reports that "the United Nations Adaptation Fund, which officially began operating in 2008 to help poor countries finance projects to blunt the effects of global warming, remains an empty shell, largely because rich nations have failed to come through with the donations they promised." The fund has a risible $18 million, which might not cover the cost of the Copenhagen conference.

There conferees will experience more futility because of, among other things, two stubborn facts -- the two most populous nations. On Oct. 21, China, the world's leading emitter of greenhouse gases, and India, which ranks fourth -- together they account for 26 percent of emissions -- jointly agreed: They, with their combined one-third of the world's population, will not play in what increasingly resembles a global game of climate-change charades. Neither nation is interested in jeopardizing its economic growth with emissions caps of a sort that never impeded the growth of the developed nations that now praise them.

But do not really embrace them. Recently, the U.S. House of Representatives took time out from fending off the world and exempted large cattle-, dairy- and hog-producing operations from an Environmental Protection Agency requirement for reporting greenhouse gas emissions. And 13 Great Lakes cargo ships were exempted from a proposed mandate requiring the use of low-sulfur fuel. When constituents' interests conflict with global grandstanding, Congress's rule is "act locally, think globally tomorrow, maybe."

In their new book, "SuperFreakonomics," Steven D. Levitt, a University of Chicago economist, and Stephen J. Dubner, a journalist, worry about global warming but revive some inconvenient memories of 30 years ago. Then intelligent people agreed (see above) that global cooling threatened human survival. It had, Newsweek reported, "taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average." Some scientists proposed radical measures to cause global warming -- for example, covering the arctic ice cap with black soot that would absorb heat and cause melting.

Levitt and Dubner also spoil some of the fun of the sort of the "think globally, act locally" gestures that are liturgically important in the church of climate change. For example, they say the "locavore" movement -- people eating locally grown foods from small farms -- actually increases greenhouse gas emissions. They cite research showing that only 11 percent of such emissions associated with food are in the transportation of it; 80 percent are in the production phase and, regarding emissions, big farms are much more efficient.

Although the political and media drumbeat of alarm is incessant, a Pew poll shows that only 57 percent of Americans think there is solid evidence of global warming, down 20 points in three years. Gallup shows that only 1 percent of Americans rank the environment as their biggest worry. Two reasons are:

They are worried about their wages, which will not be improved by clobbering a weak economy with the costs of a cap-and-trade carbon-reduction regime. And climate doomsayers are learning the wages of crying "Wolf!"

In 2005, global warming worriers warned, as they tend to do after all adverse or anomalous environmental events, that Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming and foreshadowed an increase in the number and destructiveness of hurricanes. As this year's Atlantic hurricane season ends, only three hurricanes have formed -- half the average of the past 50 years -- and none has hit the United States.

According to the Mayans, the world will be ending in 2012, so why worry?

Very funny, DLL - but let's be clear... The Mayans never said any such thing. Other people, for unknown reasons other than lining their own pockets, claim that the Mayans said it.

The best evidence I see supporting the increasing doubt among scientists, and the general public, for 'Global Warming' is the fact the the ones pushing the concept have changed the buzzwords to 'Climate Change'.

Quote: › The Mayans never said any such thing.

That is when the Mayan calendar ends. If I remember correctly, it's on December 11.

Perhaps the scientists that were pushing Global Warming read the same articles I did, in Scientific American, National Geographic and Time.

The articles dealt with the fact that is had been proven that the sun had gotten hotter. A hotter sun would mean more heat reaching earth.

DUH!

www.2012hoax.org

Ah, so if we charge CAPS for burning fossil fuels or herding cows, that will make the sun cooler?

One of the articles I had read stated, that when the sun starts to cool again...

..The next Ice Age begins.

Wonder if the Nobel committee will make Al Gore return his award for the best Science Fiction slide show?

Well global worming is a very important issue and i agree with you because this issue should have to be solved else our environment will be destroyed and a big problem will destroy us!

The increase of solar radiation is insufficient to cause the warming. (Energy radiated from a black body is proportional to the fourth power of it's temperature; ie, not enough black body radiation to account for the observed temperature change).

There is a legitimate concern however that observes sunspot activity correlating with levels of solar radiation - and the current active cycle is late and slight. The concern is that we may be in for a couple of decades of cooling as a result. That would not invalidate the theories of greenhouse gases causing global warming but we might be thankful for the warming in the short term.

alansmith wrote (View Post): › Well global worming is a very important issue and i agree with you because this issue should have to be solved else our environment will be destroyed and a big problem will destroy us!

Don't confuse proper and valid environmental issues and concerns with the global warming scam.

Climate variations are as natural as spring, summer, fall, and winter.

During the low of the most recent temperature cycle, 1960-70s, fear mongers were claiming the coming ice age would destroy us all. As the earth naturally warmed during the next 30 years of the cycle, they switched gears, got more press savvy, and began claiming the end was near and we would all have to learn to swim.

So billions are being wasted on phony carbon issues, trillions more will be sucked out of economy in the guise of cap and trade.

I assure you there real and valid environmental issues that are much more urgent and deadly, that have no funding because Al Gore scammed a bunch of rich, white, Europeans into feeling guilty about their prosperity.

CS

cohibastore.com wrote (View Post): › alansmith wrote (View Post): › Well global worming is a very important issue and i agree with you because this issue should have to be solved else our environment will be destroyed and a big problem will destroy us! Don't confuse proper and valid environmental issues and concerns with the global warming scam. Climate variations are as natural as spring, summer, fall, and winter. During the low of the most recent temperature cycle, 1960-70s, fear mongers were claiming the coming ice age would destroy us all. As the earth naturally warmed during the next 30 years of the cycle, they switched gears, got more press savvy, and began claiming the end was near and we would all have to learn to swim. So billions are being wasted on phony carbon issues, trillions more will be sucked out of economy in the guise of cap and trade. I assure you there real and valid environmental issues that are much more urgent and deadly, that have no funding because Al Gore scammed a bunch of rich, white, Europeans into feeling guilty about their prosperity. CS

Ut Oh...

I believe that the near impossible has happened.

Cohiba and I have agreed on something.

DaLizardsLair wrote (View Post): › I believe that the near impossible has happened. Cohiba and I have agreed on something.

I shudder to think of the consequences to the universe.

Fortunately there are no likely consequences to your shared but mistaken beliefs.