I have to agree with Desginers Bargains about wagglepop. It sounds to me from reading 'saturn' posts on this board that it's a cult, rather than an auction site. You know all this puts EBay in a good light, and makes Ebay looks all soft and fuzzy next to WP!!

saturn wrote (View Post): › the site is set up for mega sellers with the way the price is set up. a monthly fee for unlimited listings, yes many stores will close as the site does show cause of not understanding how this site will build. No site has sales right off so those buyers leaving are ones with faulty thinking and don't understand ecommerce. as nearly 400 stores has closed but the total listings has not dropped cause of the mega seller stores listing alot more. Once the buyer repeat sales get known then many sellers will scram back to the site. again the speed increased even with a much higher listing...alexa's speed tests are more accurate than rankings since its based on who has the alexa tool bar... so the only reliable stat there is the speed. probably the year 2007 will be the year of wagglepop in online sales.

This is too much! LOL

Mega sellers would like a bulk lister that actually works!

Oh and the other part too is halarious! LOL

Listings haven't really dropped because of the mega stores listing more!!! You have got to be kidding! The numbers aren't dropping because they are manually posting the numbers on the homepage!!!

As for the math on the seller with the 1500 feedback on ebay it would be from 80 different buyers.

proof will be in the pudding. with sales . This site is building correctly for sales. Its simply the most buyer friendly and enjoyable. ALL feeling type buyers will flock to wagglepop as they learn. the efficient buyers will go to amazon and maybe google and google checkout if they get their system where its a no hassle like it is now.

First, I want to be clear that I am not flaming anyone... I just want to clarify my opinions on Wagglepop as a seller. If I do offend anyone, please do not take it personally, but please do contact me directly.

I can't find this to quote...
"1) What does WP offer sellers FOR A FEE that a dozen other sites OFFER FOR FREE?"
If you are speaking of I-Offer offering it free, well, most sellers know that I-Offer is so loaded with counterfeit items that it isn't worth their time to try to compete, and then there are the 5% FVF. If you are speaking of BluJay, according to Alexa they don't have 1/4 the traffic of WP. If you are speaking of ecrater, they don't have an very buyer friendly layout IMO, and their FVF are higher. No site offers the same package that eBay users can somewhat recognize, and feel comfortable with. The price I pay for 20,000 unique visitors/potential buyers weekly is well worth it.

"2) Why, if WP's so great, HAVE OVER 40% OF THE SELLERS DISSERTED IT? These are sellers that are SUCCESSFUL (like myself) on other sites."
Because they were not patient, and didn't understand that it wouldn't happen overnight. I was patient to start up there, and waited until I saw the traffic pick up and the sales pick up. The ones who jumped immediately were obviously disappointed, because no one I also know e-commerce, not just eBay-commerce. eBay buys $$MILLIONS$$ monthly in marketing, and it all comes from the 10-25% fees they charge sellers. When I left, my fees were roughly 20% of my sales between eBay and Paypal. That takes a 40% profit margin, and cuts it to 20%. On WP, I can clear that 40% by promoting myself, and sell half as much. The promoting I do is less than an hour daily, and costs absolutely nothing. Also, from the few I see come and go, they have very little selection to encourage multiple item purchases, or their prices are the same as a trusted larger retailers... That doesn't cut it on a small auction site.

"This is the problem with WP. NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH REAL ISSUES --" I just did, and already did in my post last night as well. The problem I see is that Wagglepop bashers are nothing more that eBay cheerleaders who don't understand true e-commerce.

"The malls advertise THE MALL so buyers will come visit the mall. Once the mall gets people in the door, then it's up to the stores to advertise for themselves."
I still have the newspaper from last Monday, and with all the after-Christmas sales, I can't find a single advertisement for either of the two malls in this area. What I do see is ads for KB Toys, JC Penney, Dillard's, Radio Shack, and at least 20 more full or half page ads. I would think that if malls did advertise, then the second biggest shopping day of the year would be a good time to do it.

"The Flea Markets advertise they are having a flea market (at least around here they do) so people will come to the flea market. The people show up, then the individual sellers take over and promote their items."
Not around here... Of course, they have to advertise when they first start up so they can attract dealers, but they don't spend a whole lot of money on it. Most flea markets put up a big sign on a major highway, and that's it around here, and the one I was at this weekend drew over 5,000 on Saturday.

And the last comment:
"My ZenCart, which is a REAL website, costs me 8.95 per month, I can list an unlimited number of items, there are no FVF and I make ALL the rules. I advertise for ME and me alone, which is the way a REAL website works."
Well, for your 8.95/month, you get zero visibility unless you make it yourself. I, on the other hand, get 20,000 potential weekly buyers, as well as direct the buyers to my website. I don't advertise my site unless someone buys, then I add the url on the packing slip. The truth is though, most of my buyers will keep buying on WP because the 2% fees aren't enough to make them want to save money on my website, but since I offer more items on my site I do pick up some sales. So... you pay 8.95 for zero traffic, I pay 9.95 for 20,000+ potential weekly visitors. You spend money to promote your site, I spend 5-6 hours a week and about 2% of my sales. You probably pay that much in credit card processing fees, or if you use Paypal, you pay double that. With Google Checkout, I pay nothing to process the payments, making my total cost for every $100 in sales just 2 bucks.

If someone doesn't like the site because they couldn't spend the time to promote themselves, then fine... just don't kill the idea for many others looking for an alternative. Everyone needs to investigate themselves, join the discussions and find out more from successful sellers. Every seller is very helpful to those who want to know how to be successful, which is just another advantage to Wagglepop... the community. No one is scared that a new seller will steal their business, instead they all want to see the site grow.

I hope everyone has a happy new year... and WAR EAGLE!

I think part of the agreement to be on WP is that you can't add up or use your common sense. People can clearly stores numbers are dropping there were around 550 mark a few days ago. When a couple of months ago there were nearly 1000 stores, if I am correct? Did those stores have nothing in them? maybe thats why the listing number has not gone down? oh...sorry it's the mega sellers...I just read that

yes. when i saw this site, I saw a near perfect site set up for buyers. only saw one small error, the one bid by listings, but i see that the owner must be on top of the important issues and that error is gone.

i see xbay DOES understand commerce and this includes buyer psychology. for peoples own good they may need to be made to read the great info xbaystores makes.

Quote: › Every seller is very helpful to those who want to know how to be successful, which is just another advantage to Wagglepop... the community. No one is scared that a new seller will steal their business, instead they all want to see the site grow.

Yeah the community, as long as Karen agrees with what you write, other wise she presses that big fat delete key! Ask a question and she does not like, your post is...guess what... you are deleted!..wow..there seems to be a theme on WP. As long as you are taking the happy WP pills then you can type about how happy you are on the WP boards

CrystalStar wrote (View Post): › Of course some folks will have a little luck with WP. A lot may depend on what they sell and who they told. Like Gael....he has a special niche...so he would probably do OK at almost any site he uses. ( And the fact that he is such a nut doesn't hurt!! LOL)

Moi? "A nut"? Why, Crystal!...........

You know me far too well......lol

But, seriously, my point in jumping into this conversation has been simply
to give people an insight into my experiences at WP.

And maybe to remind people, especially those who are new at exploring
other online venues for selling since the Ebay feehike, that you're going to
have to take a different tact than you did when listing at Ebay. No matter
what "alternate" auction site you choose to use, you're going to have to
rethink your approach to making your store a success.

And with that comment I'm off to do some constructive work on my store.
I could sit here all afternoon and banter back and forth about this or that
aspect of WP, but I'd prefer to be making more sales.....lol.

I'll check back later this evening I'm sure to see how the screeching is
going........

this is the key point about how xbaystores is doing his business. He has found the BEST buyer friendly and enjoyable webstore for a buyer. and he uses his off line marketing to bring potential buyers there. I see many are making an error with marketing and sending buyers to ones ecrater store which is exactly as xbaystores says non buyer friendly and enjoyable compared to wagglepop.

even an item seen from froogle seen from a wp store looks alot better to a buyer than nearly all other places. It seems that 2007 may be the year of wagglepop!!

saturn wrote (View Post): › if one leaves after the first few months being openned because of low sales. THIS is faulty thinking. The poppers that has stayed and took the low sales at first are real pioneers and need a salute. I see now about feb will be a good time for me to jump in and sale. I think many sellers will do the same. The buyers are finding the site thru word of mouth from their great feeling of the site. Around feb. will be a good time for sellers to come in. and we sellers that come in at that time will not have lost the time that the pioneers did with staying thru the opening stage. LETS all Salute the Pioneer Poppers that are helping ALL of us sellers!

Newflash oh ye from another planet. A number of seller that closed shop recently WERE originals of WP2. Want some names to back up this claim? Check your factual circuit breakers cause you ain't firing smoothly on all of yours.

Feb will be a good time as predicted by you - Feb as in when eBay historically raises their fees? What genius, what insight! What an opportunity for lost disillusioned eBay sellers! What a crock!!! There is too much recent history, now coupled with past history to be convincing on that one. Some will migrate to WP but don't bother oiling the door hinges; they won't be getting that much of a workout.

WP had the same opportunity last year when it was reborn. As an untired site they won an advantage with the 2006 fee hike, again with the restructuring of store exposure and related costs on eBay. This lasted a matter of months and they squandered away their new-found growth with the result being a decline of 40% in active stores to date.

You have become as predictable as sunrises and sunsets. You peek over the horizon just before the annual fee raise at eBay. This will be your third year in a row. You shine for a while on every forum you can post to until they start winking you out. And as the first blush of WP wears off for the new recruits and their dreams of finding e-commerce success on it starts to wane, your rhetoric sinks with them.

You, are, the WEAKESTLINK! Bu-bye.

wow.. some people have issues i see. lol !!

"1) What does WP offer sellers FOR A FEE that a dozen other sites OFFER FOR FREE?"
If you are speaking of I-Offer offering it free, well, most sellers know that I-Offer is so loaded with counterfeit items that it isn't worth their time to try to compete, and then there are the 5% FVF. If you are speaking of BluJay, according to Alexa they don't have 1/4 the traffic of WP. If you are speaking of ecrater, they don't have an very buyer friendly layout IMO, and their FVF are higher."
Yes, eCrater for one. ALL of the sellers I know who left WP are doing WAY BETTER on eCrater FOR FREE! If buyers don't like the site, why are they buying there?

"2) Why, if WP's so great, HAVE OVER 40% OF THE SELLERS DISSERTED IT? These are sellers that are SUCCESSFUL (like myself) on other sites."
Because they were not patient, and didn't understand that it wouldn't happen overnight. I was patient to start up there, and waited until I saw the traffic pick up and the sales pick up. The ones who jumped immediately were obviously disappointed, "

Most of the exodus from WP occured in the LAST THREE MONTHS, the MAJORITY in the last month. These are sellers who WERE VERY PATIENT, not "immediate" traitors. Many, like myself, had been there since June or July. Some DID NOT WANT TO SHOOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT and waste the best part of the sales year on feeding a dead horse. Others saw no sales over the holidays and figured it wasn't going to get better, so have pulled the plug in the last month.

"The malls advertise THE MALL so buyers will come visit the mall. Once the mall gets people in the door, then it's up to the stores to advertise for themselves."
I still have the newspaper from last Monday, and with all the after-Christmas sales, I can't find a single advertisement for either of the two malls in this area"

BUT, you're forgettting -- the best advertising the mall has is simply BEING THERE, built in a place where SHOPPERS SEE AND KNOW IT'S THERE. WP is on the net. It does NOT EXIST anywhere. Apart from the sellers' own efforts at spamming, it would be a non-entity.

""This is the problem with WP. NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH REAL ISSUES --" I just did, and already did in my post last night as well. The problem I see is that Wagglepop bashers are nothing more that eBay cheerleaders who don't understand true e-commerce. "

NOT SO. Just because some of us think WP's a cult joke means we're eBay cheerleaders. It isn't either/or. MANY have no eBay presence whatsoever.


"No one is scared that a new seller will steal their business, instead they all want to see the site grow. "

I guess you missed the big BRU-HA-HA over the battle of the logo makers.

What is going on with wp is like xbaystores is saying. store sellers are using the site to bring their potential buyers to the site which is BEST buyer friendly.. some are ex ebayers with their past buyers being emailed to come look. some are like xbaystores doing outside marketing. ALL these potential buyers comes in and looks and then LIKES and comes back not just for the store they came first too but will expand to look at other stuff sellers has. SO this is the way wp will be built and 2007 will be the year of wagglepop!

with ecrater there is another issue with them getting sales .. its about google having them as a google checkout partner store.. and google gives 10 dollars if a buyer shops at one of their partner stores and uses checkout but that is a one time thing per store....
if one reads the feedbacks on ecrater one will see that buyers do not like the site...their sales is because of something google is doing not because of being buyer friendly which they are NOT... the feedback says things like great service buy a cumberson site.. which it is.. very hard to read any descriptions